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Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by u801e »

Silhouette wrote: post #32
mnd999 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I’m getting old but I’m always amazed when people don’t know what Usenet is. Or at least aren’t able to spot a Usenet group by name.

Every ISP I used a decade or two ago had its own Usenet server. No ISP I have used in recent years does. They have all been switched off, with the ISP citing low levels of use. It's hard to blame them, with modern Web-based discussion forums able to do better in almost every way, but that's a lot of freely available information and insight about a lot of subjects that is being consigned to history. Maybe one of the o…

> No ISP I have used in recent years does. They have all been switched off, with the ISP citing low levels of use.

The event that lead to a lot of ISPs dropping their NNTP service was when Andrew Cuomo, when he was the attorney general of New York, made a deal with several ISPs to block access to child porn[1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/technology/10iht-net.1.13...

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

_kst_ wrote: post #35
zafiro17 wrote: post #33

On behalf of Usenet users everywhere, this is excellent news, and I wouldn't be surprised if Usenetters begin stuffing other useful newsgroups with crap in order to removed from Google as well. Google's assimilation of Usenet content had promise at first but quickly turned into a dystopia and the general consensus on Usenet is that Google has been a disaster for Usenet.

Google had the most complete archive of comp.lang.c (and the rest of Usenet). That archive is now inaccessible. Users posting to comp.lang.c through Google Groups were a problem -- especially with the recent bug that caused GG posts to comp.lang.c++ to have the "++" quietly dropped. If Google made its archive of all Usenet newsgroups available, I'd be fine with them dropping the posting interface. (And some users act…

> "... complete archive of ... Usenet"

sotto voce> Usenet postings were never meant to be permanent. I was there in its heyday and nobody expected their postings to live beyond the spool expiration lifetime.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by sitkack »

_kst_ wrote: post #35
zafiro17 wrote: post #33

On behalf of Usenet users everywhere, this is excellent news, and I wouldn't be surprised if Usenetters begin stuffing other useful newsgroups with crap in order to removed from Google as well. Google's assimilation of Usenet content had promise at first but quickly turned into a dystopia and the general consensus on Usenet is that Google has been a disaster for Usenet.

Google had the most complete archive of comp.lang.c (and the rest of Usenet). That archive is now inaccessible. Users posting to comp.lang.c through Google Groups were a problem -- especially with the recent bug that caused GG posts to comp.lang.c++ to have the "++" quietly dropped. If Google made its archive of all Usenet newsgroups available, I'd be fine with them dropping the posting interface. (And some users act…

This is hilarious because Google is probably the largest user of C++ and has the most people on the C++ standards committees .

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#44

Post by u801e »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #37
Silhouette wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every ISP I used a decade or two ago had its own Usenet server. No ISP I have used in recent years does. They have all been switched off, with the ISP citing low levels of use. It's hard to blame them, with modern Web-based discussion forums able to do better in almost every way, but that's a lot of freely available information and insight about a lot of subjects that is being consigned to history. Maybe one of the o…

Last time I used an actual usenet group must have been around 2000 or so. I have no idea how I'd set up NNTP and get to a group now. Not that it wouldn't take me long to work it out, but I'd have to start from first principles.

I was regularly posting to several groups as late as 2014.

But setting up access is no different than configuring a mail client.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by asveikau »

Silhouette wrote: post #32
mnd999 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I’m getting old but I’m always amazed when people don’t know what Usenet is. Or at least aren’t able to spot a Usenet group by name.

Every ISP I used a decade or two ago had its own Usenet server. No ISP I have used in recent years does. They have all been switched off, with the ISP citing low levels of use. It's hard to blame them, with modern Web-based discussion forums able to do better in almost every way, but that's a lot of freely available information and insight about a lot of subjects that is being consigned to history. Maybe one of the o…

It was probably hard for an ISP to justify when dejanews, later acquired and transformed into google groups, was providing adequate access.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by floatingatoll »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #42
_kst_ wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google had the most complete archive of comp.lang.c (and the rest of Usenet). That archive is now inaccessible. Users posting to comp.lang.c through Google Groups were a problem -- especially with the recent bug that caused GG posts to comp.lang.c++ to have the "++" quietly dropped. If Google made its archive of all Usenet newsgroups available, I'd be fine with them dropping the posting interface. (And some users act…

> " ... complete archive of ... Usenet " sotto voce > Usenet postings were never meant to be permanent. I was there in its heyday and nobody expected their postings to live beyond the spool expiration lifetime.

Yeah, Dejanews was the harbinger of the archiving apocalypse. I added X-No-Archive: Yes to have dejanews throw away my posts the instant I learned about it, and then later on when Google bought dejanews and gave us all a one-time "opt out or be archived forever" chance, I was able to purge all the rest.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by alisonkisk »

asveikau wrote: post #46
Silhouette wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every ISP I used a decade or two ago had its own Usenet server. No ISP I have used in recent years does. They have all been switched off, with the ISP citing low levels of use. It's hard to blame them, with modern Web-based discussion forums able to do better in almost every way, but that's a lot of freely available information and insight about a lot of subjects that is being consigned to history. Maybe one of the o…

It was probably hard for an ISP to justify when dejanews, later acquired and transformed into google groups, was providing adequate access.

It's hard to justify when 99% of ISP's current customers will never understand what usenet is no matter what.
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