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I find this rather interesting. People are always touting how Lincoln was a republican, but when I read a bit about history it seemed that the parties switched sides after the war in terms of left/right alignment.

Maybe read more about history. Lincoln’s Republican Party was a coalition of religious fundamentalists (abolitionists) and big business. That’s still basically the modern Republican Party. Meanwhile, FDR’s Democratic Party was recognizably the modern Democratic Party. It was a coalition of labor, immigrants, northern progressives, Black people, and agricultural southern whites. George Wallace was a committed New Deal…

There's some historical truth in here but the overall thrust of your comment is wrong. The realignment between the Democrats and Republicans was not primarily economic, and was in fact driven by civil rights: opponents of civil rights legislation switched from the Democratic to Republican parties, leaders in the Republican party capitalized on that to realign the Solid South, which as a side effect canted the GOP more rural and the Democratic party more urban, which reinforced the Democratic racial coalition and also further shifted more conservative rural voters into the GOP.

The process was already in motion in the early 1960s, and was a key part of Goldwater's strategy in '64. Perlstein's "Before The Storm" is a good book on this.

The notion that Nixon was an advocate for anti-segregation reform in the south is especially risible. Nixon did, in fact, appeal to the pre-'64 anti-civil-rights agenda of the southern states. Last time we talked about this, I put the Nixon campaign on the record, in a contemporaneous source pursuing this strategy:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25742135

You responded with a revisionist Claremont Review article, which is approximately the same thing as me responding to one of your comments with a Robin DiAngelo article. Amusingly, one of the Claremont article's sources is... Kevin Phillips, the subject of the contemporaneous news story I cited to you.

I can make it simpler for you. Here, from the article I posted, is a direct quote from Phillips, a primary source of your Claremont article on the "Myth of the Racist Republican":

All the talk of the Republicans making inroads into the Negro vote is persiflage. Even ‘Jake the Snake’ [Senator Jacob k. Javits] only gets 20 percent. From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 precent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that . . . but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act.

Here I pause to request that you "wait for it", and note that if we weren't buried deep in a random thread that the good play here would have been to stop before the ellipsis, wait for someone to point out the VRA thing, and then unveil the rest of the quote, Simpsons "How To Cook Forty Humans" style, but, anyways:

The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide in their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

Persiflage, this revisionist history of ideological sorting. Persiflage, I say.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

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> the southern "bastions of Free Speech" Historically, southern states were bastions of democratic party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Party_System

Yes. Most of the south flipped to the Republican party after the Democratic Party embraced the civil rights movement.

Your wording suggests that the "flip" was caused by the civil rights issues. Yet in reality the "flip" was a gradual realignment over 30-40 years. 80% of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act and remained the worst enemies of white supremacists. Jim Crow Democrats did not flip Republican. They had nowhere to go, so they stayed Democrat for decades. There are still Blue Dog Democrats to this day. The South eventually became more Republican as the older voters died out and a new generation with different views came of age.

A good example is Robert Byrd. A former KKK leader, he is also the longest-serving US Senator in history, from 1959-2010. He remained a Democrat the entire time, and was particularly skilled at outmaneuvering Republicans. He doesn't seem to have had a real change of heart. He was just a political opportunist who didn't mind compromising his principles to gain power. He called himself "Big Daddy" due to how good he was at getting pork.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

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Believing that hardcore pornographers "objectify women" makes you "puritanical" now? OP's criticism was quite civil and reasonable compared to some anti-pornography people I've seen before. And it's absolutely true magazines like Hustler objectified women! Have you ever seen one? The entire point is to objectify women and sex! That's entirely different than claiming you're evil or bad for producing porn...

Something of a facile distinction, given that the construction "objectify women" has a strong negative valence, and implies you're doing something wrong. I won't say "immoral," since the modern moral majority doesn't use that term. It marginalizes the voices of those with woman-aligned identities, I guess. You can say the point of Hustler is to objectify women, or you can say the point of Hustler is to let people get…

These are the incoherent ramblings of someone that just took their freshman philosophy seminar...

Re: Larry Flynt has died

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post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something of a facile distinction, given that the construction "objectify women" has a strong negative valence, and implies you're doing something wrong. I won't say "immoral," since the modern moral majority doesn't use that term. It marginalizes the voices of those with woman-aligned identities, I guess. You can say the point of Hustler is to objectify women, or you can say the point of Hustler is to let people get…

These are the incoherent ramblings of someone that just took their freshman philosophy seminar...

Mean, insubstantial, and late to the party. Thanks for weighing in. :)
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