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If the CCP is innocent why not prove it to the world by sharing their data? Why hide things?
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What is withdrawal going to do? Why not work to get it right instead?
Conversely what good is it belonging to an organization which has no agency and does whatever it’s told to do? Better form a new org that is apolitical and concerns itself with promulgating health and disease prevention rather than some political agenda?
It is not a police, it has no coercive power. The reason is obvious if you think more than 10 seconds about how to get sovereign governments to cooperate on public health matters.
What would be your ideal organisation? One subservient to the American government? Or do you want it to be a world government above sovereign states? How do you think it would fly?
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We simply don't know the author's connection to the CCP. Why not share that publicly as to add credibility to their claims? Not the first time Nature was caught covering for the CCP: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/world/asia/china-springer... Why are all the criticisms of CCP downvoted and flagged on HN?
Conspiracy theories regarding genetically engineered viruses don't do well here.
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There is no winning with you... Of course it cannot be too powerful, because then nationalists would scream bloody murder and refuse to have anything to do with it. The WHO is a forum to coordinate strategy and exchange information. Obviously, this requires a minimum of good faith, which seems to be difficult for some countries (yes, particularly dictatorships). But even then, it is better to have them within, collab…
I don't think anyone wants the WHO to be powerful . They want the WHO to be honest . And they aren't. But that isn't the WHO's fault or anyone working there. It's a property of what the WHO is.
They are working with what they have, which comes from governments and governmental health agencies. If they don’t have information, they say ‘we don’t know’, even though everyone knows that the most likely scenario involves emergence in China.
If one wants them to be able to coerce information out of China, then by definition it would need to be more powerful.
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Could you elaborate on what that situation is?
Mask early, serious lockdown as soon as it becomes serious, and don’t end lockdowns before numbers are way low. We masked late, put lockdowns in place late if at all, and ended them way too early, which means that some countries went through several ones. And we’re not through yet. That said, I don’t share the optimism of the parent poster. This would be a heavy burden in terms of freedom and human rights for a resul…
The lockdowns, even as implemented, extracted an enormous toll on small businesses and mental health.
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If the CCP is innocent why not prove it to the world by sharing their data? Why hide things?
While Chinese authorities may very well be to blame for this, your reasoning is flawed. Governments hide a lot of things for a lot of reasons, whether nefarious or not, especially when it comes to sharing with foreign powers. The "argument" that "if you've got nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about" is is just as worthless when promoting encryption backdoors as it is now.
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>China will lie to the WHO and the WHO will protect it. Do you have any reason to believe that this is true?
How about [1]? Corrupt organizaiton's loyalties typically lie with those who sponsor it. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-pled...
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There is no winning with you... Of course it cannot be too powerful, because then nationalists would scream bloody murder and refuse to have anything to do with it. The WHO is a forum to coordinate strategy and exchange information. Obviously, this requires a minimum of good faith, which seems to be difficult for some countries (yes, particularly dictatorships). But even then, it is better to have them within, collab…
>But even then, it is better to have them within, collaborating on their terms, than to leave them outside, in which case it would be even harder to get any information out of them. I tend to agree with this sentiment, however I'm always on the fence as to if acting on no new information is better than acting on false or misleading information. If you can't trust the source the data is almost worthless. Anyways, that…
Forgive my ignorance but even if it was lab created, so what? I don’t really understand why it matters or not. Didn’t the entire world basically have a nearly 3 month heads up on this either way?
Once a guy is dead, does it matter who killed him?