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Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by linksnapzz »

EdwardCoffin wrote: post #265
linksnapzz wrote: post #136

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Keeping Zurich industrialists on their side was essential to helping supply German war efforts-that's how Dehomag laundered its purchases of Hollerith cards from IBM, and I think how GM Europe's part-ownership of Ethyl Inc.facilitated getting TEL to the Luftwaffe. In addition to losing all that, it would be a costly and drawn-out war against an entrenched enemy on hideously unsuitable terrain. The desire was absolute…

They didn't try though, that's the point. You have to try in order to succeed or fail . I mean, the USA famously had a plan to invade Canada - but they never did .

Industrial-age warfare has a different scale of opportunity costs associated with it than, say, agreeing to have dinner at the new Thai place down the street, to see if it is any good.

Invading someplace just to discover if it is or isn't invade-able hasn't been a workable strategy since Franciso Pizzaro tried it on Atahualpa.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

linksnapzz wrote: post #321
EdwardCoffin wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't try though, that's the point. You have to try in order to succeed or fail . I mean, the USA famously had a plan to invade Canada - but they never did .

Industrial-age warfare has a different scale of opportunity costs associated with it than, say, agreeing to have dinner at the new Thai place down the street, to see if it is any good. Invading someplace just to discover if it is or isn't invade-able hasn't been a workable strategy since Franciso Pizzaro tried it on Atahualpa.

My point is that you said:

> The last person to successfully invade Switzerland was... Napoleon

While I understand the idea of deterrence, your statement certainly implies the existence of unsuccessful attempts, but I don't think any attempts have even been made since.

Edit: all I am saying is that if you'd originally said "the last person to invade Switzerland ..." we wouldn't be having this exchange.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by nickthemagicman »

nicoburns wrote: post #320
nickthemagicman wrote: post #314

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So you want one group of people to use guns to stop another group of people from having guns. Interesting.

Actually, I live in the UK. Here the police are mostly not armed, and still manage to prevent other people from having guns. But yes, in principle I'm perfectly happy with the setup where one specialised group holds the power of military force

The UK is a bigger surveillance state than China. They have one of the worst levels of inequality in the Western World. You have ASBO's which are basically just a blank slate for people to be punished for the vague idea of 'anti-social behavior.'

Also, your violent crime rate is the 3rd worst in Europe.

The U.K. has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100k while the U.S. is 5 per 100k. Meanwhile there are 400 MILLION guns in America.

So your government is repressive and the citizens are violent. Few countries need guns more the U.K.

I'm sorry your gov't has defanged it's citizens so much with minimal benefit and has citizens that actually fight against their best interest.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by nickthemagicman »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #308
sofixa wrote: post #232

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Citation needed. If anything, a lot of nations were subjugated with the help of or by the US.

>>>Citation needed. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_NATO or here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Americana

Thank you was going to post this.

And sure..America's not perfect... but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative!

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by yaacov »

throwaway_oil wrote: post #263
yaacov wrote: post #239

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> Finally, the idea of "banning" guns -- which every basically qualified engineer or physicist should be capable to building from readily available materials and tools -- makes them even more interesting. If for no other reason than to illuminate preposterous and insulting nature of the idea. By this logic, almost nothing should be banned, do you endorse that position?

Trivial counterexample: I can't make an Apple M1 chip in my garage. I can't make (good?) LSD in my garage. I can put a metal pipe on a board with a nail and have a simple, reliable 12ga shotgun. I can 3d print a 22LR pistol, or even a 9mm subgun (just add pipe for barrel, weight for bolt, and some common springs). I assume your response was probably born out of some political frustration, and I respect that. Happy to…

I don’t think my response was born of political frustration. I think most existing gun control legislation does nothing but annoy legal gun owners. Though I would support things like universal background checks, cool down periods, and price floors to make it harder to get the cheap handguns that are used for most gun crimes. I’m not super informed on gun issues though, and I’d be interested in learning more.

I just think “an expert can make this in their garage” is a really bad reason to legalize something. I don’t think IEDs or street meth should be legal. (Apple M1s and LSD are probably fine though.)

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by aksss »

laverya wrote: post #286
aksss wrote: post #156

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The State department tried to ban the exchange of digital plans for very simplistic, rudimentary 3d-printed pistols under ITAR regs. It was an over-reaction to an exaggerated fear that everyone could print guns out of plastic now, and I think the last administration (Trumps') finally revoked the rule. You can, in fact, print a gun out of plastic that will work, but it may be cheaper and more effective to build one ou…

> You won't be hitting a gong at 1000 yards, but you'll hit a pie plate at 20 pretty easy. Depends on what you're building. If you're making your own AR-15 lower, there's no detrimental impact on accuracy - all of those parts are contained within the 'upper', which (in the US) is not regulated as a firearm. If you're building from scratch, though, accuracy is really not going to happen. Not unless you have actual mac…

This is very true - it’s not hard for a practical man to build a quality piece — my reference to the twenty yard pie plate was more a Home Depot pipe and nail model.

YouTube censored the vids of casting your own AR lower out of beer cans, but it’s still online[0].

If you have a modicum of skill in the garage you can also fashion an AK receiver out of a shovel (or so I am told).[1]

“So, there you have it. In 2012, a drunk guy named “Boris” -who lived in what he refers to as “Communist Massachusetts”- built an AKM from an old $2 field shovel and a bunch of parts kits that can be found all over the country. His total cost was $232.”

[0] https://forum.full30.com/t/ar15-made-from-beer-cans-complete...

[1] https://warisboring.com/extreme-diy-man-makes-akm-from-a-sho...

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by nicoburns »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #323
nicoburns wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I live in the UK. Here the police are mostly not armed, and still manage to prevent other people from having guns. But yes, in principle I'm perfectly happy with the setup where one specialised group holds the power of military force

The UK is a bigger surveillance state than China. They have one of the worst levels of inequality in the Western World. You have ASBO's which are basically just a blank slate for people to be punished for the vague idea of 'anti-social behavior.' Also, your violent crime rate is the 3rd worst in Europe. The U.K. has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100k while the U.S. is 5 per 100k. Meanwhile there are 400 MILLION guns in…

So you're saying there are 4x as many murders in the US? There are definitely lots of problems in the UK: over surveilance and inequality are two of them. But I fail to see how guns would help either of these.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by mvolfik »

jhgb wrote: post #193
barnaclejive wrote: post #191

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That is an interesting anecdote. Here is another - No engineers I've worked with cared about guns at all.

Heh. Purely coincidentally, the only people I've known to have any guns were my engineering schoolmates (brought them to school -- apparently that would be a cause for panic and a SWAT deployment in the US but it's kind of a "meh, whatever" thing around here in .cz.)

Yeah, Czechia is full of surprising moments. I remember my classmate bringing knife that could reliably kill somebody to school and spreading butter on his bread with it. The teachers noticed, made some stupid joke about it, and continued lecturing.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by linksnapzz »

EdwardCoffin wrote: post #322
linksnapzz wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Industrial-age warfare has a different scale of opportunity costs associated with it than, say, agreeing to have dinner at the new Thai place down the street, to see if it is any good. Invading someplace just to discover if it is or isn't invade-able hasn't been a workable strategy since Franciso Pizzaro tried it on Atahualpa.

My point is that you said: > The last person to successfully invade Switzerland was... Napoleon While I understand the idea of deterrence, your statement certainly implies the existence of unsuccessful attempts , but I don't think any attempts have even been made since. Edit: all I am saying is that if you'd originally said "the last person to invade Switzerland ..." we wouldn't be having this exchange.

Yes, my use of the infinitive "to invade" was in the sense of the consummation of the invasive act itself; and not contingent upon the invader's assessment of the success or failure of their primary military objective, hence the adverb in the middle.

Now that we have that out of the way, IIRC there was an Austrian army mountaineering patrol on a winter training mission that got lost on the border near Liechtenstein. They ended up on a hillside in Grisons, just over the border, where a shepherd informed them that they were in the wrong country.

After some debate about proceeding further down the valley in the hope of finding a bar or restaurant, they decided that it was too cold and wet, so they marched back the way they came && called for a helicopter to pick them up.

There you go, a relatively recent but unsuccessful invasion of Switzerland.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

linksnapzz wrote: post #329
EdwardCoffin wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that you said: > The last person to successfully invade Switzerland was... Napoleon While I understand the idea of deterrence, your statement certainly implies the existence of unsuccessful attempts , but I don't think any attempts have even been made since. Edit: all I am saying is that if you'd originally said "the last person to invade Switzerland ..." we wouldn't be having this exchange.

Yes, my use of the infinitive "to invade" was in the sense of the consummation of the invasive act itself; and not contingent upon the invader's assessment of the success or failure of their primary military objective, hence the adverb in the middle. Now that we have that out of the way, IIRC there was an Austrian army mountaineering patrol on a winter training mission that got lost on the border near Liechtenstein.…

> and not contingent upon the invader's assessment of the success or failure of their primary military objective, hence the adverb in the middle

You misspelled despite has hence

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