The Kotlin Foundation

Post by yannoninator » Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

ta988 wrote: post #6

yannoninator wrote: post #2

Rust, Python and now Kotlin. Just as PSF promoted Google to visionary sponsor, although I understand Jetbrains, but we see yet again our saviour Google on the board of yet another language, even after Rust formed its foundation. I guess I have no choice to accept this future we've put ourselves in.

I understand that side (and I'm personally against Google's behavior, hegemony and influence on almost everything). But Google is one of the few companies that gives back to projects they use. You can't say that of many other companies that use tools and make sure they never contribute back (either financially or as code). As long as they don't put their adcrap in any of those languages or the things around them...

Post by yannoninator » Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 3:57 PM UTC

high_density wrote: post #4

yannoninator wrote: post #2

Rust, Python and now Kotlin. Just as PSF promoted Google to visionary sponsor, although I understand Jetbrains, but we see yet again our saviour Google on the board of yet another language, even after Rust formed its foundation. I guess I have no choice to accept this future we've put ourselves in.

well Google's using all three in different ways... and another trend on prog. langs: they're becoming more and more similar feature-wise (eg. pattern matching)

Post by jswizzy » Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

wffurr wrote: post #9

anonyfox wrote: post #5

Next entity for the killed-by-google-graveyard? Joke aside, seems that kotlin is a niche player and will remain a better Java until something like Rust eventually takes over the enterprise market.

Android development is a huge “niche”. I don’t see how Rust displaces Java or Kotlin. It’s very different with different use cases that it’s suited for and different strengths and weaknesses. Kotlin also seamlessly inter operates with Java, which is a big deal for any company with a large existing Java code base, which are legion.

Post by ta988 » Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

yannoninator wrote: post #11

ta988 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that side (and I'm personally against Google's behavior, hegemony and influence on almost everything). But Google is one of the few companies that gives back to projects they use. You can't say that of many other companies that use tools and make sure they never contribute back (either financially or as code). As long as they don't put their adcrap in any of those languages or the things around them...

> But Google is one of the few companies that gives back to projects they use. Apple gives back to open source projects. Isn't Swift open source as well as LLVM and Webkit? Makes sense because they made them and a long time user of them.

Post by ta988 » Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

yannoninator wrote: post #13

high_density wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well Google's using all three in different ways... and another trend on prog. langs: they're becoming more and more similar feature-wise (eg. pattern matching)

> well Google's using all three in different ways... So that justifies giving them a seat at the board of directors and not just a sponsorship? Apple and Facebook both use Rust but I don't see anything about them being on the board (at least Facebook for now), the least I expect is sponsorship.