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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by iamacyborg »

rkangel wrote: post #378
tfehring wrote: post #279

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Yeah, I agree with your interpretation and that makes sense from Microsoft's perspective. Just one open question that that raises: does a name and employer count as "contact details"? Do Microsoft's terms allow Canonical to reach out to someone on LinkedIn for marketing purposes as long as they don't look them up using the email address Microsoft gives them? And if the answer to that last question is no, what can Can…

So I don't know the answers to your questions - but here's one interesting thing - according to GPDR your email address is personal information as you'd expect. However your work email address is not. Companies can do all sorts of harvesting and collection on professional information that they can't on personal.

This is not strictly true. Sales@example.com would not be considered personal data, bob.smith@company.com would be

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by Thiez »

ballenf wrote: post #320
rkangel wrote: post #48

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Actually, to me the MS statement is the most illuminating and I'm guessing that Canonical is getting some grumpy calls from Microsoft. This is the last part of the Microsoft statement: "Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and technical support for their products but restricts them from using contact details for marketing purposes" Canonical then tells us that this person…

Very reminiscent of that Netflix tweet calling out a small group if people for some extraordinary binge watching. “The first rule of the the surveillance economy is don’t talk about the surveillance.”

As I recall their tweet did not indicate that they had direct access to the identity (such as name or address) of those people. I think they mentioned their municipality?

Of course they have the raw data, but it's possible the people who sent that tweet just have access to a database that contains only anonymized data.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by nickflood »

tfehring wrote: post #279
rkangel wrote: post #249

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This is the full quote from MS, provided in The Register article: "Customer privacy and trust is our top priority at Microsoft. We do not sell any information to third-party companies and only share customer information with Azure Marketplace publishers when customers deploy their product, as outlined in our Terms and Conditions. Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and te…

Yeah, I agree with your interpretation and that makes sense from Microsoft's perspective. Just one open question that that raises: does a name and employer count as "contact details"? Do Microsoft's terms allow Canonical to reach out to someone on LinkedIn for marketing purposes as long as they don't look them up using the email address Microsoft gives them? And if the answer to that last question is no, what can Can…

If they discover a huge security problem with the distribution you installed, they can contact you and help you upgrade to a non-vulnerable version? This like like what "technical support" is supposed to mean

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by toyg »

O_H_E wrote: post #209
toyg wrote: post #130

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Yeah, I wouldn't put down Ubuntu's traditional attitude as "we'll copy something so we can own it" - it's more of a "we'll do whatever we think is better for the experience we provide, screw the community". Which is still misguided and fundamentally doomed to fail in the long run, but not as malicious as, say, Apple's moves. At the end of the day the scorecard reads: - Mir: failed - Unity: failed - Snap: mostly faili…

> - Snap: mostly failing As much as I hate Snap and remove it from my Kubuntu systems, I don't see where it is failing. I frankly see a lot more non-linux-focused vendors support to snap than flatpak. Could you expand on that point?

It took years to get any sort of buy-in from app-developers, and I know quite a few users who are actively running from it. Just last week I helped a friend who was surprised and somewhat disgusted by the fact that certbot seems to have embraced it.

It’s not a question of which one will succeed between snap and flatpak, it’s whether the ecosystem really needs either one of those.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

moron4hire wrote: post #197
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #120

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The code is more than just gratis; it's libre . This is Ubuntu, based on Debian GNU/Linux. (Yeah, okay, some of the code is merely gratis, but most of it is libre.) I don't expect an OS based on an OS based on an OS based on a half-finished OS based on free software principles to have shady data-dealing attached, yet hidden from the people whose data is being dealt.

You might not have expected it, but privacy protection is not any sort of obligation encoded in any extant concept of Free Software.

Free software is about user empowerment, and the ability for users to be hackers if they want to (or employ people to make changes on their behalf). “Sike, we've been stalking you and you can't do anything about it” is antithetical to this ideal.

Privacy protection is not an obligation, but transparency and openness is. Yes, you're not contractually required to not make a separate computer system that's proprietary and closed and disempowering, but that's so pedantic as to be malicious.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by brmgb »

joshuak wrote: post #421
brmgb wrote: post #398

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I like how the vocabulary you use imply there is something highly nefarious happening here whereas it is all fairly standard direct marketing based on an exchange of data clearly highlighted in the TOS. I don't really understand why everyone is up in arms here. In this case, Microsoft is basically a reseller. They told Canonical that they sold one of their product to a customer and Canonical reached out on LinkedIn,…

Unless you're the kind of person that actually sits and reads the EULA prior to hitting OK every single time, I'd say it makes complete sense people are up in arms. There is a difference between legally defensible and reasonable expectations. It is actually completely unacceptable on what is advertised as a secure platform to engage in targeted marketing AT ALL. If any information about what my company is doing on yo…

> It is actually completely unacceptable on what is advertised as a secure platform to engage in targeted marketing AT ALL. If any information about what my company is doing on your platform is shared to other companies, then you are not secure by any definition of the word that I'm aware of. It is not for you to judge what information is valuable or damaging for us.

Security and data sharing have nothing in common. It is perfectly acceptable to share customers list when you are resellers if you clearly state you will do so in the contract. It doesn't become true because you write it in all cap and say it is not for me to judge. If you so value your company information, maybe you should start reading what you sign.

Once again, we are not talking about an unreadable EULA for personal software. Azure is a platform geared towards professional. Nothing creepy is happening here. That's Canonical reaching out and giving a potential customer a point of contact if they ever need support. This has nothing to do with broad data collection and spying and is perfectly reasonable. I don't understand why some commenters here find the idea of talking with an actual human being so traumatic.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sudosysgen wrote: post #430
lotsofpulp wrote: post #340

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> Since most appliance manufacturers require you registering your product with them for warranty service, yes, please take care of that for me (many appliance stores do) Manufacturers legally have to honor their warranty regardless of you giving them your information. They don’t exactly say you won’t be covered by warranty if you don’t “register”, because they legally can’t.

The trick used in the US is that if you do not offer this information you get a ridiculously short legal-minimum warranty.

In over two decades of buying appliances and electronics, I’ve never seen a device in the US offer a longer warranty if you send in your information.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ycombinete »

BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

I like this distinction that you’ve made between marketing and sales. As a technically minded person in a business development roll, I’d like to know more about it. Do you have any resources that you can suggest?
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