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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by freeflight »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #223
burkaman wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine you rented a car from Hertz on a work trip with a company card, and then Ford called your house.

Actually, if that happened, most people would be slightly annoyed, but not at the "wtf" level of this Tweet. Simply because it's a digital purchase, and it's "ye olde evil Microsoft", it's considered a "wtf" moment.

The wtf level would probably depend on with what and how Ford contacted you.

If their message went: "We saw you drove to XYZ using our model Y", addressed to a private contact line of yours, then that would also lead to quite a few "wtf?" along the lines of "What data is Hertz sharing with Ford?"

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by bialpio »

sudosysgen wrote: post #428
bialpio wrote: post #424

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I think I'm missing something... Ubuntu is developed by Canonical, right? Just because you do not pay for it when you get it outside of Azure does not mean you are not their customer?

Doesn't customer imply a paying relationship? If I put some code online and let people use my software I'd say that makes them at most my users, not consumers. When you get it a certain way through Azure you both enter a contractual agreement with each other, and that does make you a customer.

I think requiring payment is a bit too strict requirement to define a customer. Your users still agree to your license, so there is a relationship established, you may just not get any benefit from it (monetary or otherwise). Even in your license you likely have to be explicit that "software is provided as-is" and you aren't responsible for it misbehaving - otherwise your customers/users could try to sue you. Just because you don't pay for Ubuntu doesn't mean Canonical does not get anything out of you deploying it. Do they gather any kind of data about users' behavior?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by richardfey »

raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

"privacy rules" is incorrect wording. You better say privacy legislation in this case.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by richardfey »

fireball_blaze wrote: post #190
throwaway077445 wrote: post #187

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I love how being contacted by a salesman that is acting accordingly to the terms of the contract he accepted is BAD! but publishing a private message without consent and without obfuscating name and surname is RIGHT! Some devs have complete disconnect from reality. (ofc he screams #censorship)

He definitely should have blurred out the name of the salesperson in the original image.

That's harder to accomplish on a video

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by young_unixer »

whimsicalism wrote: post #84
fireball_blaze wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But no one is calling this guy a villain. For example, his name is not mentioned once in all these HN comments. It's not his fault. And indeed the Azure T&C's are definitely referenced a in the Twitter discussion with the OP. Such as: https://twitter.com/dezren39/status/1359726235929223168

"On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies."" My reading of this statement is that they are scapegoating the guy.

Poor guy must be having a hard time.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by young_unixer »

ubermonkey wrote: post #327
fireball_blaze wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He definitely should have blurred out the name of the salesperson in the original image.

Nope, not morally. Once you send me a message, it's mine. I can tell anybody I want you sent me a message. I can post it publicly if I want.

> Once you send me a message, it's mine

Only at the most primitive level of morality. Over that basic layer, I'd still consider how the publication of the message may affect the other person.

For example: Do you think it's morally OK to publish nudes that your partner sends you? I don't think it should be illegal, but only a massive asshole would publish their (ex) partner's nudes.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by that_guy_iain »

SilasX wrote: post #401
that_guy_iain wrote: post #352

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No it said not use that for marketing. And they didn't, the sales person said he would be the point of contact. They didn't market or try to sell him something in his message. He just send a request to be his contact.

Most people would view the message as being marketed to. The employee was referred to as a salesperson. Any difference from marketing is pedantic.

The legal difference is important. No court would ever agree that “I’m your point of contact” is marketing anything. And since it was about the legal agreement between Microsoft and Cannonical the legal difference is anything but pedantic.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by raverbashing »

BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

> is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1.

We don't know that

It could also have been that this person, just in the company and wanting to make a sale has used leads he wasn't supposed to act on.

I can definitely see an inexperienced person doing that kind of mistake. Not blaming the guy, he was just trying to do his job and meet his targets.

But I've seen a lot of "stupid" things done by new people at a company with various degrees of "making the customer or other departments annoyed" (in sales and in technical positions)

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