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Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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The dream and goal of every tyrant and despot ever is to reduce the martial capacity of their "subjects".

A tyrant and despot doesn't have to decrease your "martial capacity" but simply make sure theirs is more than yours. If a tyrant/despot secures control of economic resources this isn't overly difficult. Furthermore: rising up against a tyrant/despot is only possible if the population is very united; but a tyrant/despot, with enough economic power (or oppression of others) can make sure a population is ideologically o…

You present a logical fallacy called a false dillema.

Guns are legal in America and it's safe to walk in my neighborhood.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. The engineering and physics involved in building/tuning guns and shooting accurately is very interesting. Furthermore, the "renegade" spirit required to reject the status-quo and push the envelope in science and engineering attracts quite a few of the same types of people. Finally, the idea of "banning" guns -- which every b…

That is an interesting anecdote. Here is another - No engineers I've worked with cared about guns at all.

Anecdote: I went to science/tech magnet school, and quite a few of us were interested in guns. Same thing in engineering school (though that was GA Tech, so kind of a gimme).

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. The engineering and physics involved in building/tuning guns and shooting accurately is very interesting. Furthermore, the "renegade" spirit required to reject the status-quo and push the envelope in science and engineering attracts quite a few of the same types of people. Finally, the idea of "banning" guns -- which every b…

>>There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. Again, surely you mean in the US ? All engineers I have ever worked with or met are almost the exact opposite of this. IMHO ;-)

Some European countries have more guns than you’d think. Iirc it’s estimated that some countries like Switzerland have more guns per capita than some US states (New Jersey is usually the lowest per capita).

The difference is in gun culture. Very few Europeans identify with guns as much as Americans occasionally do.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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>>There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. Again, surely you mean in the US ? All engineers I have ever worked with or met are almost the exact opposite of this. IMHO ;-)

Some European countries have more guns than you’d think. Iirc it’s estimated that some countries like Switzerland have more guns per capita than some US states (New Jersey is usually the lowest per capita). The difference is in gun culture. Very few Europeans identify with guns as much as Americans occasionally do.

> The difference is in gun culture. Very few Europeans identify with guns as much as Americans occasionally do

It’s an issue that’s become culturally politicized. I bet folks in Switzerland don’t say stuff like “people in other cantons cling to their guns and religion.”

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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It's the second amendment for a reason. Modern America is a historical anomaly. And as inequality grows here in America and we slowly but surely descend back to what has been the default state of humanity for thousands of years...with a few rich and powerful with their neck on the rest of society who is poor...we'll be glad the average citizen has guns to fight back at some point. There's a saying: History repeats it…

Modern America is an anomaly in a different sense: AFAIK it's the only country with a constitution that guarantees the right to bear arms.

The other countries haven't become provinces of other less Democratic countries thanks to America's protection.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Heh. Purely coincidentally, the only people I've known to have any guns were my engineering schoolmates (brought them to school -- apparently that would be a cause for panic and a SWAT deployment in the US but it's kind of a "meh, whatever" thing around here in .cz.)

Depends which part of the U.S. you're talking about. In 10 states campus carry is allowed. In a number of other states, the campuses can choose to allow it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Campus_carry_map_of_US_st...

There's also some overriding laws, depending on the state. For instance, some states consider dorm rooms or personal vehicles to be an extension of ones private residence, and therefore not subject to firearm restrictions.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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I am guessing if the nobles did not have weapons and troops the monarch would not have given up some power.

Of course they had military might. But the point is it wasn't exactly "citizens", and whether regular citizens can bear arms has little to do with whether the standing armies of nobles can. The nobility of that period is not what I would consider regular citizens. The original assertion I replied to is obviously not as absolute as it was presented.

Sorry I wasn't very clear.

I am not sure if you consider soliders to be "regular citizens" but many of the troops would have been been subjects or lower nobles. If strictly the nobility (without their troops) were going against the king he may have been able to resist if he had his own troops.

I am not sure how possible it would have been to run England without the nobility so it is possible that troops were not strictly needed, but I am guessing the threat of the use of the nobility's troops at least made the whole process easier.

It of course wasn't a civilian uprising or something like that which may have been more of your point?

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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I think the point was to note that shutting down manufacturing us no longer a useful way to prevent firearms from being made. They don't need to be 3D printed right now because there are factories. If all the factories shut down tomorrow, that wouldn't stop new guns from being produced.

> I think the point was to note that shutting down manufacturing us no longer a useful way to prevent firearms from being made. And I'm saying that's incorrect. It's not wrong in the binary sense of "no firearms made" vs "some firearms made", but rather in the sense that if the mass-production output were to drop significantly, prevalence and use would also drop significantly (although this would be mitigated by ther…

> if the mass-production output were to drop significantly, prevalence and use would also drop significantly

I'm not sure that can be assumed anymore. The 3D printer market has been absolutely exploding. I and my siblings got one as a present from my father for Christmas in 2020. Some reports[1]state there was a 68% increase globally in personal desktop 3D printer units in 2020, and that's after there were manufacturing problems to overcome.

If if shutting a factory today might suppress supply slightly in the future, I suspect that within 5-10 years the point will be mostly moot.

1: https://www.tctmagazine.com/additive-manufacturing-3d-printi...

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Might as well not have any laws or regulations ever, then.

Or you could simply add additional penalties for commiting actual violent crimes with weapons, which we already do. See, for example, strongarm robbery vs armed robbery. That way criminals are punished for misuse of firearms while law abiding owners don't have their rights infringed.

And how is that working out? Last time i checked, the US was leading in violent crime, death and suicide by guns, mass shootings, etc. among developed nations, by a lot.
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