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Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by User23 »

elil17 wrote: post #91
toast0 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about if you're a company doing that Nevada company town thing? Hmmm

Cities and counties don’t have sovereign immunity. Sovereign immunity is a holdover from Britain, where you couldn’t sue the ruler or any of their assets. Because states started out viewing themselves as independent countries, sovereign immunity was extended to them by courts. Smaller governments have never had sovereign immunity.

Totally incorrect. The courts didn't and can't grant the States sovereignty. They were sovereign states before entering the union and they relinquished some of their sovereign powers by signing the constitution, but certainly not all of them, or indeed any at all that aren't explicitly enumerated in the constitution.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by throwawayboise »

monocasa wrote: post #156
slowhand09 wrote: post #148

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I guess I'm triggered by people who feel the need to get in officers faces and video them when they are trying to do their jobs. I'm sure my privilege is showing, but cops don't hassle me because I don't do stupid stuff. I don't deal or use drugs, beat my significant other, steal cars, etc. My last interaction with a cop was getting pulled for not having a front tag on my car. "No prob officer, I'll take care of it."…

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're white and present as middle class or above?

And are you as well?

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

jMyles wrote: post #160
blt wrote: post #53

Anyone suggesting that this tactic can be stopped with copyright law is hilariously missing the point. The cops will just find a pro-cop artist and record label to play. The problem here is much deeper.

The idea that it's forbidden to publish what your eyes can see and ears can hear, in public, is completely insane. What is freedom of the press if not this?

Have any of these videos actually been taken down?

I watched them on the guy’s Instagram account, where he’s using them to sell his anti-cop merch.

I’ve been seeing this headline on multiple sites in the past few days, but all of them include the video, which apparently hasn’t been taken down anywhere? Starting to think the person filming is doing so to promote his personal brand, and it’s working.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by throwaway2245 »

slowhand09 wrote: post #148
monocasa wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even sure what you're going off about. But yes, I hold the police to higher standards of professional conduct than I do common criminals.

I guess I'm triggered by people who feel the need to get in officers faces and video them when they are trying to do their jobs. I'm sure my privilege is showing, but cops don't hassle me because I don't do stupid stuff. I don't deal or use drugs, beat my significant other, steal cars, etc. My last interaction with a cop was getting pulled for not having a front tag on my car. "No prob officer, I'll take care of it."…

I think the video evidence people wish to collect is exactly the evidence that you are wrong - that people get arrested (or perhaps brutalized, or killed) despite being wholly respectful.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

lsiebert wrote: post #163

Recording cops while music is playing should be a fair use under US copyright law, right? So it's mostly about the take-down system and it's abusiveness.

As far as I can tell, none of these videos have actually been taken down. It’s just speculation at this point.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

kordlessagain wrote: post #165
hellohello1 wrote: post #140

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Very true! I bet the RRIA is going to get right on filing a suit against that officer.

The officer didn't do anything wrong and just because police are sometimes unreasonable or unethical, it doesn't mean this officer was either. The officer has a right to do whatever he wants with his phone as well. He could be recording with it, or he can play music with it, without recourse. It's his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that protects him, not the constitution or being an officer. If s…

If he's on duty he does not have that right.

A 16 year old working at McDonald's does not have the right to ignore the boss and play a gameboy (I was 16 in the 90's).

Banning music outside cop cars, or over the loud speaker, or on mobile devices while on duty does seem like something they definitely could do and would be within the law.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

ceejayoz wrote: post #57
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #43

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It’s also strange that HN is so eager to weaponize copyright for their own agenda. It’s strange that so many people are arguing for using copyright law against the cop, instead of realizing that it’s absurd that we have to think about having videos taken down for background music. That said, I’m not even convinced that background music can get the videos taken down, since we’ve all been watching these videos on socia…

It's less "copyright law is good" than "copyright law is already being used against us so it might as well be turned around on them a bit".

Who is “them” though? The police officer in this video (which hasn’t been taken down anywhere, as far as I can tell) isn’t the record label.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

josefresco wrote: post #55

Publicizing this probably does more harm than keeping it something unique to Beverly Hills PD (aka the Streisand effect). We'll now see officers across the United States employing this same tactic. Hopefully this will finally force some sort of sanity when it comes to automated copyright enforcement online.

If anything, the fact that we’ve all been watching this supposedly forbidden video across social media sites shows that the technique doesn’t actually work.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by sevenf0ur »

jawns wrote: post #138
sevenf0ur wrote: post #116

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A cop playing a Beatles song in the background does not prevent you from recording. These live streamers are not recording the police to hold them accountable. They antagonize officers who can't do anything about it, then upload that interaction online for monetization.

> They antagonize officers who can't do anything about it The officers can't do anything about it because it's not illegal to film police officers in public while carrying out their official duties. It's a constitutionally protected activity. Is it at times obnoxious? Sure. (Although in many cases, these videos capture police officers behaving badly, rather than live-streamers behaving badly.) A lot of First Amendmen…

Precisely my point. The officers are required to sit there and take verbal abuse. I can't begrudge them for taking out their phone and playing a song. It doesn't hinder your ability to record the police and it gets annoying people to leave.

Re: Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming

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Post by monocasa »

throwawayboise wrote: post #182
monocasa wrote: post #156

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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're white and present as middle class or above?

And are you as well?

I drive a beater, which is enough to commonly be pulled over with police starting off with a disrespectful demeanor from them. I've gotten "are you employed, son?" as the beginning interaction even before "do you know why I pulled you over?" multiple times. You can watch them re-calibrate in real time when they get the answer "yes, I'm a software engineer".

So initially I don't present as middle class, but once they get a hint of the fact that I am, you can watch them change their behavior nearly instantly. Other times, they don't ask questions like that and have then for instance lied about my drivers license being revoked, taken it, and then pretended like that never happened later, requiring my dash cam footage to even get them to admit they pulled me over.

My friends of color aren't typically even given the chance to re-calibrate their class position to the police by being asked questions like that.

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