“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure. I’ll be your contact for anything Linux-related in the enterprise. Are you sure you didn’t intend to spin up a Debian image instead?”
“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
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I don't know how I feel about that. Am I doing business with Amazon or the third party? If it's the third party, I want it to be crystal clear that they are the ones who will get my info. And if it's not crystal clear and I find out and their response is "oops, you weren't really supposed to notice that"... Again, think of the grocery store example: you go in, there is a Boar's Head counter where they sell sandwiches…
Why is it OK for "Grocery Store" to see your data, but not "Boar's Head"? Corporations aren't people. The boundaries are imagianry?
Where did you get the idea that I think corporations are people?
It's OK for the grocery store to see my data for because I explicitly consented for them to do that when I gave them my name and address when I filled out the loyalty form. Same way that I need to give some info to Azure to create an account, right? They aren't an anonymous service. But it's an active opt-in situation. You give them your info. They don't just take it.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”
I'm all for Occam's Razor and don't usually buy corporate bullshit, but this comes to my mind: - Azure is the second largest cloud provider worldwide - Ubuntu is probably the most common Linux distro installed in the cloud - We never heard about another episode like this before Now if Canonical was allowing / encouraging this kind of behavior from their sales rep, I think we should have seen it happen in the wild bef…
I feel like you're missing the point. I wholeheartedly believe Canonical does not encourage this kind of behavior from their sales rep, but only because it makes it obvious that they're getting data from MS they really have no right to access, when they really intend for it to just stay hidden behind some voluminous terms of service.
You know what they say, the definition of "gaffe" is when someone tells the truth.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
How more reasonable it would have been for Microsoft to provide the publishers details to consumers instead of the other way around. Interesting that this is not so.
Microsoft can earn more money this way (selling data for sales purposes), so their behavior meets my expectations.
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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
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Right. But then stop complaining about it every chance you get. It’s the equivalent of taking the steering wheel out of your car so if you get in an accident you don’t hit your head on it, then complaining that streets have turns. For better or worse, the web now requires JS to function unless you restrict yourself to some very specific communities. If that’s the case and you want to do that, good for you. But every…
I disagree. Bad practices, like (linking to) websites that do not degrade gracefully, is worthwhile. Only by creating awareness, change can be invoked.
I would love to see a text editor, a spreadsheet editor, or a piece of mapping software that's as usable as Google Docs and Google Maps that you create with plain HTML :)
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile. You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I w…
> your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile I thought your comment was interesting and merited a reply for others to see and discuss. But I see you disagree so I've removed the content of my reply. Feel free to flag any comments you find particularly toxic or hostile. You can do that by clicking on the timestamp of the comment and clicking the `flag` link. Or even better, let…
There's no problem with your comment so please do not "improve" yourself based on the parent; they should, not you.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#347I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.
What? When I buy something at a brick and mortar store, I don't expect the product's manufacturer to get my personal information. I don't even expect the store to get my personal information if I pay in cash. I don't want some "relationship" with a company just because I buy their product.
> I don't want some "relationship" with a company just because I buy their product.
You've never needed warranty support before? I'm not aware of ways in which that works without them knowing who you are, or where they should mail the repaired product back to.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#348I thought this was going to be a Clippy joke, but the truth was much more disturbing. Why is Microsoft sharing this level of information (from a corporate account) with third parties?
The MS response in TFA is illuminating: terms for publishing an image on the marketplace are that MS will make certain information available to facilitate user support. Sales and Marketing are explicitly forbidden uses of this information. Canonical violated their Terms, in what is probably a GDPR violation of some kind if the user is in the EU.
What's interesting is whatif any enforcement action comes of this. It's not like MSFT can restrict Ubuntu image use on Azure; Linux is literally the majority of their usage. Can they sue?
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”
I'm all for Occam's Razor and don't usually buy corporate bullshit, but this comes to my mind: - Azure is the second largest cloud provider worldwide - Ubuntu is probably the most common Linux distro installed in the cloud - We never heard about another episode like this before Now if Canonical was allowing / encouraging this kind of behavior from their sales rep, I think we should have seen it happen in the wild bef…
We haven't heard about it before because other sales reps didn't admit to knowing that a customer has deployed something, and reached out to the customers under the guise of standard-looking sales pitch that got dismissed as regular kind of spam. That would be my take on it.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
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He definitely should have blurred out the name of the salesperson in the original image.
Nope, not morally. Once you send me a message, it's mine. I can tell anybody I want you sent me a message. I can post it publicly if I want.
In fact no. Once I send you a message it’s neither yours or mine, it’s owned by the platform. Thus if the platform does not allow for « sharing » without consent you must follow their instructions.
Also if you believe privacy is a right, you should ask that person before sharing this digital content he created that has hid identity in it, otherwise you should hide it.
For a paper letter it’s obviously different, once you received it it’s obviously yours.