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Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

jhgb wrote: post #193
barnaclejive wrote: post #191

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That is an interesting anecdote. Here is another - No engineers I've worked with cared about guns at all.

Heh. Purely coincidentally, the only people I've known to have any guns were my engineering schoolmates (brought them to school -- apparently that would be a cause for panic and a SWAT deployment in the US but it's kind of a "meh, whatever" thing around here in .cz.)

Depends which part of the U.S. you're talking about. In 10 states campus carry is allowed. In a number of other states, the campuses can choose to allow it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Campus_carry_map_of_US_st...

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

zhengyi13 wrote: post #186
philwelch wrote: post #181

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Glock is a fairly obvious one.

Sig's recent P320 system is another obvious example, where they've completely modularized the fire control group, allowing that to be swapped freely between multiple grips, calibers, and even form factors.

Yeah but that's only made convenient by dumb laws.

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

tshaddox wrote: post #66
leesalminen wrote: post #33

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It's unclear to me how enforcing laws on theft pertains to a tyrant retaining power over their citizens.

The argument was of the form "tyrants do this, therefore it's bad."

I read it as “Tyrants do this because it enables their tyranny.”

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Post by 1MoreThing »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #194
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #180

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Your honesty is refreshing, and psychopathic.

> psychopathic That is a needless personal attack, and I notice that you fail to make a coherent argument against what I said. Do you favor protections against unreasonable search and seizure only until too many criminals benefit from it? My point is that some people value liberty higher than life. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to say why, though I honestly don't know that you'll change my mind on that.

> Psychopathy is a condition characterized by the absence of empathy and the blunting of other affective states. Callousness, detachment, and a lack of empathy...

That doesn't seem like a personal attack so much as pointing out that this belief lacks empathy and is callous, which I tend to agree with. The standard argument, which I'm sure you're aware of, is that some controls and regulations on the ownership of firearms is a net good for society by reducing accidental deaths, suicides, and murders.

Guns aren't responsible for any of those things, people are. But guns dramatically change the scale at which they happen. Ignoring that because of a belief in absolute freedom from regulation for machines designed to kill is callous and un-empathic. Or, to use a synonym, psychopathic.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy

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Post by goatinaboat »

aksss wrote: post #137
goatinaboat wrote: post #47

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Guns in the US are near saturation from a market perspective The statistics show record gun sales. More and more Americans are becoming firearms owners for the first time, and existing owners are expanding their collections.

What's interesting (to me) about this stat is that retail sales are up, meaning mostly newly manufactured firearms, at a time when we're seeing a "rolling over" of one generation's possessions to another - baby boomers are actively passing their collections on (or selling) to the next generations in private transactions. So there are a lot of firearms changing hands to new owners now (for the last and next 5 years) t…

at a time when we're seeing a "rolling over" of one generation's possessions to another - baby boomers are actively passing their collections on (or selling) to the next generations in private transactions. So there are a lot of firearms changing hands to new owners now (for the last and next 5 years) that are unseen by these retail stats. Guns are a very durable good.

It’s a matter of changing tastes as well. A Gen Z would cherish her mom’s old M1911A1 as a family heirloom but she’ll want a tricked-out Combat Master for her own use cases.

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

rancor wrote: post #81
nicoburns wrote: post #37

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Modern America is an anomaly in a different sense: AFAIK it's the only country with a constitution that guarantees the right to bear arms.

Per Wikipedia Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala also have constitutional protections of varying strength.

They do, but in practice they don't. Many European countries which don't have a right to bear arms still manage to have better gun laws than those three Latin American countries (and I should add, a number of American states).

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #58
DamnYuppie wrote: post #8

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The dream and goal of every tyrant and despot ever is to reduce the martial capacity of their "subjects".

A tyrant and despot doesn't have to decrease your "martial capacity" but simply make sure theirs is more than yours. If a tyrant/despot secures control of economic resources this isn't overly difficult. Furthermore: rising up against a tyrant/despot is only possible if the population is very united; but a tyrant/despot, with enough economic power (or oppression of others) can make sure a population is ideologically o…

> A tyrant and despot doesn't have to decrease your "martial capacity" but simply make sure theirs is more than yours. If a tyrant/despot secures control of economic resources this isn't overly difficult.

And one major way of doing this is by reducing your combat power, and by securing control over the means of providing defense.

> Furthermore: rising up against a tyrant/despot is only possible if the population is very united;

Historical counterexamples proliferate.

> This will actually make benefits of being well armed a liability as now you have a tyrant/despot and also can't walk safely in your neighboorhood.

Fortunately possession and carriage of armaments mitigates both those ills.

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Post by yongjik »

lutoma wrote: post #102

Honest question: How is this relevant to Hacker News? As a non-American i was rather bewildered to find this here. Is there a serious overlap between gun enthusiasts and the IT community in the US?

Not me, but a large fraction of the HN community is ideologically libertarian-leaning, and they like guns.

(From my experience, I don't think US IT workers are particularly pro-guns any more than average Americans.)

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Post by analog31 »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #89
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #58

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A tyrant and despot doesn't have to decrease your "martial capacity" but simply make sure theirs is more than yours. If a tyrant/despot secures control of economic resources this isn't overly difficult. Furthermore: rising up against a tyrant/despot is only possible if the population is very united; but a tyrant/despot, with enough economic power (or oppression of others) can make sure a population is ideologically o…

well..by your logics the US founding fathers should just gave up 'cause at that time, the British Empire is stronger than whatever two-bits army that the founding fathers can scrap together.

In my view, that's survivor bias. I think that an insurrection can render a country or region un-governable, even with a numerical disadvantage. But it can't necessarily establish a new government, either a good one or a bad one.

The two-bits army was ideologically and organizationally aligned with an already functioning colonial government. But that's survivor bias too. I don't know if there are any reliable rules for the long term outcome of a successful insurrection.

The British didn't need to be defeated, they only needed to realize that they could no longer govern the colonies.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

yoz-y wrote: post #86
nickthemagicman wrote: post #28

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We've all grown so comfortable in modern America that we forget that default state of human nature is subjugation and repression and has been for thousands of years. Modern America is a historical anomaly. The powerful aren't peaceful by choice. It's the SECOND amendment in the constitution for a reason.

There are a lot of countries where the populace isn't generally armed and they are doing just fine. It's not like America is the only free country out there.

Yeah a good part of the reason those countries aren't Chinese, German, or Russian provinces right now is America.
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