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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by njkleiner »

simosx wrote: post #304
njkleiner wrote: post #269

It's a real shame, Ubuntu used to be my go-to distro, but for me this is the last straw in the history of shady things Canonical has done. One of the things I liked most about Ubuntu is that the installation process is incredibly easy and everything "just works". Does anyone know a good alternative? I'd love to go all in on Alpine, but using it on the desktop doesn't exactly spark joy.

It is weird that this is your "last straw". Most likely you haven't used Ubuntu for a very long time and just want to influence others to switch away from Ubuntu.

> It is weird that this is your "last straw".

Why? Could you point me to some other straws I've missed?

> Most likely you haven't used Ubuntu for a very long time.

It's true that Ubuntu has not been my primary OS for a while, perhaps I should've been more clear.

I _am_ still using it on various laptops and servers (and have been meaning to switch back to it for daily use), which is why I'm annoyed at the prospect of having to deal with finding an alternative.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by TameAntelope »

ryandrake wrote: post #93
jnwatson wrote: post #69

I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.

What? When I buy something at a brick and mortar store, I don't expect the product's manufacturer to get my personal information. I don't even expect the store to get my personal information if I pay in cash. I don't want some "relationship" with a company just because I buy their product.

Imagine...

You buy a toaster, and someone from the toaster company comes to your house to try and sell you a microwave. "I see you like to warm foods, let's talk about some other ways our products can help you with that!"

Wait, now I'm not confident that doesn't/didn't happen, geez...

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by SilasX »

hobofan wrote: post #205
that_guy_iain wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your PII will be in their CRM and they will have access to their CRM. Literally all they need to do this is your name and linkedin. If you think sales people won't have access to names of potential leads then I am not sure what you think sales people do on outbound sales.

Even in an CRM there should be checks on who can access what PII and when. There is a difference between "you are assigned 100 leads for the duration of lead qualification" and "you can yourself pick out leads (and can get access to their PII) out of any of the thousands of possible leads".

Yes, and MS claimed that their agreement with Canonical required them not to share that info with sales.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by rchaud »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #285
BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

This feels like some modern day "Glengarry Glen Ross" type stuff.

Modern day? The pressure of sales jobs never went away. Ask your local bank teller. Their jobs exist in this day and age, not to help Grampy who prefers interacting one-on-one, but to sell her credit cards, expensive chequing accounts and loans she doesn't need.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by stonesweep »

simosx wrote: post #290
tailspin2019 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too have started to notice some increased “friction” when trying to setup Ubuntu these days. Like you, I don’t care about “snaps” (though in my ignorance I’m willing to accept I may be missing out on something useful...) Even when you go to their Download page for Server, the first option is not a download link but some blurb about “Multipass” which I’m pretty sure is not what the majority of people are looking for…

That's the page, https://ubuntu.com/download/server You get three options to run Ubuntu server. The first option is to run Ubuntu server in a VM, and most users will want to run Ubuntu server in a VM. Multipass is a tool that helps you run Ubuntu server in a VM. Multipass is just a front-end for KVM when you use a Linux distribution. If you use Windows, it is a front-end for Hyper-V, etc. The second option is to perf…

Canonical now goes far, far (far) out of their way to hide the normal ISO installers. I mean, they try and bury them so deep that I can only find them now by googling for the name of the ISO I already have. Find your path to this page easily from the landing pages: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/foca...

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by rchaud »

TameAntelope wrote: post #310
toyg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think Ubuntu doesn't already have similar agreements with other cloud providers...? Azure is a big fish. If they managed to get that, they definitely got smaller ones.

We're all a bunch of tech folks here, so has anyone gotten an email from Canonical after spinning up an Ubuntu instance in AWS or GCP? I've at least done this on AWS and have never seen anything from Canonical.

Your data is still on their CRM. Perhaps a salesperson looked you up and decided to pass?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ducktective »

simosx wrote: post #282
somehnguy wrote: post #129

I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

Most likely you tried to run a command, this command was part of a package that has not been installed, and Ubuntu suggested to you to install a specific deb or snap package. There is a usability package 'command-not-found', which is a handler for the shell and runs when the command you tried to run, was not found. You mentioned though that you tried to install a package, the package was not found and got a suggestio…

Well, personally, I'd have very much preferred an abrupt error and a recommendation to install the thing with snap. After all `apt` is reserved for apt-managed applications not some general "install-please" meta command. I thought failing fast and general transparency was a Linux/UNIX motto.

Just my 2c. I'm not well-versed in sysadmin stuff.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by elygre »

tfehring wrote: post #241
rkangel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, to me the MS statement is the most illuminating and I'm guessing that Canonical is getting some grumpy calls from Microsoft. This is the last part of the Microsoft statement: "Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and technical support for their products but restricts them from using contact details for marketing purposes" Canonical then tells us that this person…

I guess I don't understand the quote from Microsoft's statement. Canonical provides "implementation and technical support," right? But they're not allowed to use user data from Microsoft to market those services? How else would that data even be useful for Canonical's "implementation and technical support" services?

“Ouch. Big bug. Let’s contact the users who installed it from the azure marketplace. Good thing we got their names when they installed it!”

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sorokod wrote: post #286
rkangel wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the full quote from MS, provided in The Register article: "Customer privacy and trust is our top priority at Microsoft. We do not sell any information to third-party companies and only share customer information with Azure Marketplace publishers when customers deploy their product, as outlined in our Terms and Conditions. Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and te…

How more reasonable it would have been for Microsoft to provide the publishers details to consumers instead of the other way around. Interesting that this is not so.

Microsoft can earn more money this way (selling data for sales purposes), so their behavior meets my expectations.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ballenf »

rkangel wrote: post #48
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Actually, to me the MS statement is the most illuminating and I'm guessing that Canonical is getting some grumpy calls from Microsoft. This is the last part of the Microsoft statement: "Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and technical support for their products but restricts them from using contact details for marketing purposes" Canonical then tells us that this person…

Very reminiscent of that Netflix tweet calling out a small group if people for some extraordinary binge watching.

“The first rule of the the surveillance economy is don’t talk about the surveillance.”

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