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EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

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Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

#121

What the EU should really do is fine / tax monopolists like Google and Facebook into submission then invest that money into the EU-based startup ecosystem.

They have tried that several times. They don't hold a candle to even the "second tier" of the US (Barnes and Noble, eBay, etc.) Really the harsh truth is that the source of their problems is not found in the "Big Tech" Boogeyman but in the mirror.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

#122

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can't google just threaten to pull out like they did in australia?

That could indeed potentially create a little bit of friction for a few weeks before everyone had replaced their services with different solutions.

Didn't we hear the same thing from the UK with Brexit about their disregard for billions of dollars of commerce and it ended in completely predictable and avoidable disaster?

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

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The technical solution wasn't even tried, I will agree with you after that fails. Also for example subsidy for Firefox and other independent browsers (of Google/MS/...) could be tried. Law should be the last resort.

I'm curious what the technical solution is you're proposing. I was considering OP's context of a technical solution that's "clearing your cookies regularly". Surely that's both not sufficient (not by a long shot) and being tried at some scale [1]? So probably you mean something else, but I'm not sure what. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_browsing

First step would be making private browsing the default. Second step would be making strong, capable adblockers built-in. Third step would be something like Firefox containers, one for each domain. Fourth step could be analyzing network traffic for potentially fingerprinting information and blocking it. I am sure there is much more to think of.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

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post #32

What the EU should really do is fine / tax monopolists like Google and Facebook into submission then invest that money into the EU-based startup ecosystem.

Targeting taxes directly towards specific companies seems overly aggressive. I hope they will find and implement more generic rules to achieve what it is they want to achieve which, if I'm not completely mistaken, is to protect me from invasive tracking.

Are you sure that is really their goal in the first place? If they wanted that they would downsize their intelligence agencies.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

#125
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How could I prove my blog doesn't track you?

Allow experts to audit your blog, including the code running on the servers. Hosts should submit to similar audits.

Never thought I would see the day when people on HN would enthusiastically support making it much more difficult for anyone to publish their stuff on the web. All while, in the same breath, clamoring for the "good old days" of the web when publishing something was as easy as just uploading a folder with your HTML/CSS to your host.

No, thank you, I don't want to go through audits and deal with bureaucracy when I just want to publish my side-project blog on the web. If you want to discourage people from building and publishing their personal projects and making them easily accessible to the public, that's how you do it.

However, I am absolutely ok with EU doing this, given they seem to be hellbent on running their local tech industry into the ground. Truly great founders from EU will either manage to make their companies succeed despite EU or eventually end up creating their companies in the US, and both of those scenarios sound like a win-win to me (from the perspective of the US; from the perspective of the EU, I guess they are doing all of this knowingly, so they get what they wanted, which would count as a win in a way too).

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

#126
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At this point honestly I just wish for a general ban on tracking ads of any kind. Just give me good old contextual ads and remove some MBs of js, with the only purpose of tracking me, from most websites of the internet.

Just disable Javascript. If people did this en masse, even for one day, the adtech companies would start to panic. Castles made of sand.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

#127
post #88

What the EU should really do is fine / tax monopolists like Google and Facebook into submission then invest that money into the EU-based startup ecosystem.

Cool, maybe the US should also add some protections against German exports.

I am all for import tariffs, especially when those taxes prevent wasteful international shipping.

However, to respond to your snarky tone, does Germany have a monopoly on the world auto industry and use that to abuse the rights of citizens while squashing all competition? If so, absolutely, tax the hell out of them! My ‘99 VW Jetta was a piece of junk and I sold it at a major loss after a year.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

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Would you pay, say, $120/year? What if it wasn't nearly as good as Google yet?

Yes I would. Based on the really, really crappy results that google gaves me out lately (I have actually quit using it), $12 a year seems more than reasonable (you have market of millions of users, charging $10 / month is ripoff). Under condition that it is not some ads company under disguise (like google), that they eliminate all SEO crap (i dont want those results anywhere near the 100th page of results) and ads fr…

> Based on the really, really crappy results that google gaves me out lately

People on Hacker News seem to think Google's results have gotten worse over time. Maybe they have for the narrow set of interests and requirements of this crowd, but I'm very confident they've gotten better for the vast majority of other users (users who I bet are less likely to use an ad blocker too).

> That they eliminate all SEO crap (i dont want those results anywhere near the 100th page of results) and ads from my results and serve me relevant content.

This is an extremely difficult engineering problem. Google doesn't make a conscious decision to include low/middling quality SEO'd content. That content is optimized to appear relevant and high quality. Google does a better job than say Bing at telling the difference, but it's still obviously an unsolved problem.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

#129

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Allow experts to audit your blog, including the code running on the servers. Hosts should submit to similar audits.

Never thought I would see the day when people on HN would enthusiastically support making it much more difficult for anyone to publish their stuff on the web. All while, in the same breath, clamoring for the "good old days" of the web when publishing something was as easy as just uploading a folder with your HTML/CSS to your host. No, thank you, I don't want to go through audits and deal with bureaucracy when I just…

Well, in the good old days people didn't abuse users with unwanted tracking and fingerprinting. Pages used to be just that: files someone uploaded to the internet. People came up with tracking techniques here and there but they weren't so pervasive. Now most pages aren't pages, they're hostile applications purposefully built to extract as much value out of you as they can by any means available whether you want it to or not.

If all you did was publish an HTML+CSS page, your innocence is self-evident. Anyone can look at your page's source and confirm it. If you link to Google's javascripts though, that should put you into a completely different category of suspicion.

Re: EU privacy agency urges more safeguards to curb U.S. tech giants

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At this point honestly I just wish for a general ban on tracking ads of any kind. Just give me good old contextual ads and remove some MBs of js, with the only purpose of tracking me, from most websites of the internet.

It is crazy to think Facebook is still able to operate as they do. I mean look at the stock price. Ridiculously out of reality. This will come crashing down soon enough.
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