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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

I used to be a ubuntu user from the time they were mailing cds like you. I abandoned ubuntu for debian when they started doing strange things with my desktop like putting the window controls on the wrong side of the window for no other reason than user lock in. Last week my son installed ubuntu on his cheap tablet pc. it worked flawlessly : wifi, sound, track pad and even touch screen. on screen keyboard worked. even…

> putting the window controls on the wrong side of the window for no other reason than user lock in.

How does that cause user lock-in?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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It's a real shame, Ubuntu used to be my go-to distro, but for me this is the last straw in the history of shady things Canonical has done. One of the things I liked most about Ubuntu is that the installation process is incredibly easy and everything "just works". Does anyone know a good alternative? I'd love to go all in on Alpine, but using it on the desktop doesn't exactly spark joy.

Arch linux.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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It's a real shame, Ubuntu used to be my go-to distro, but for me this is the last straw in the history of shady things Canonical has done. One of the things I liked most about Ubuntu is that the installation process is incredibly easy and everything "just works". Does anyone know a good alternative? I'd love to go all in on Alpine, but using it on the desktop doesn't exactly spark joy.

It is weird that this is your "last straw". Most likely you haven't used Ubuntu for a very long time and just want to influence others to switch away from Ubuntu.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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It's all about plausible deniability.

Or as law enforcement call it: parallel construction. The sales rep was probably expected to reach out claiming some other reason, making it look like the standard LinkedIn spam, but in reality much more targeted.

Yep, and the purported “retraining” will probably be more like, “use a vaguer or falser pretense to cold-call”.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Two or three ago I spun up a quick Windows VM in Azure for about 20 cents worth of testing.

Shortly afterwards I had a missed phone call and then a follow-up email from an Azure salesman inviting me to schedule time to discuss my interest in the platform. I declined and asked to be opted out of anything like that in future, and actually received a pretty unprofessional response to that.

So even if Ubuntu aren't allowed to do this kind of thing, MS certainly have themselves in the past.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Actually, to me the MS statement is the most illuminating and I'm guessing that Canonical is getting some grumpy calls from Microsoft. This is the last part of the Microsoft statement: "Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and technical support for their products but restricts them from using contact details for marketing purposes" Canonical then tells us that this person…

I guess I don't understand the quote from Microsoft's statement. Canonical provides "implementation and technical support," right? But they're not allowed to use user data from Microsoft to market those services? How else would that data even be useful for Canonical's "implementation and technical support" services?

"Ubuntu Server on Azure best practices guide.pdf"

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?

> You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. For warranty purposes of course > You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. In case they need to recall the soap > You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool? So you can get some cool Boar's Head swag! Just kidding of course. We need much better data…

Those actually seem reasonable (other than the swag one) if and only if that info is locked away on a need-to-know-basis, it’s used for precisely that purpose, and regulators vigorously punish any sharing or release. The GDPR seems like a good step in that direction.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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post #159

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>one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. I don't think the (non-)apology even gave that much, just that the training/policies will be "reviewed", which is even weaker: >>In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies.

I speak enough corporate to know that this guy gets to be chewed out. They singled him out in their response and said he was new. If they stood behind this policy they would have basically diffused the responsibility without mentioning him by specifically. I could be wrong of course, but he cost a bunch of people a bunch of time and effort and unpleasantness so he'll get yelled at.

They singled him out because the original tweet showed the salesperson's full name and picture. He might lose his job because he unintentionally showed everyone how the sausage of monetizing open source is made.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Well I think we all know why. They make money from it. The question that’s more relevant is how many of you are going to cancel your Azure accounts and move to a different host after seeing this and will it lose MS enough money to stop the practice. I’m taking bets that not enough will at 50:1 odds.

Do you really think Ubuntu doesn't already have similar agreements with other cloud providers...? Azure is a big fish. If they managed to get that, they definitely got smaller ones.

We're all a bunch of tech folks here, so has anyone gotten an email from Canonical after spinning up an Ubuntu instance in AWS or GCP?

I've at least done this on AWS and have never seen anything from Canonical.

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