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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by michaelmrose »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #212
inetknght wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile. You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I w…

To be clear are we to suppose one has a right to say something and then insist others never bring up anything because one has at that point deleted?

Furthermore is strenuous disagreement now toxic and hostile?

Wouldn't it be more trivial to say I do not wish to engage and leave it at that? Ironically calling someone toxic hostile and creepy is... pretty toxic.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by merb »

toyg wrote: post #130
andagainagain wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mir and WAyland was because wayland couldn't do what they wanted technically. Snap came BEFORE flatpak. Flatpak was the "new competing standard" in that situation. And Gnome shell, quite frankly, sucked. IMO it still sucks, but back then it sucked WAY worse.

Yeah, I wouldn't put down Ubuntu's traditional attitude as "we'll copy something so we can own it" - it's more of a "we'll do whatever we think is better for the experience we provide, screw the community". Which is still misguided and fundamentally doomed to fail in the long run, but not as malicious as, say, Apple's moves. At the end of the day the scorecard reads: - Mir: failed - Unity: failed - Snap: mostly faili…

> Unity: failed

unity failed because they abadoned it, but it was way better than wayland+gnome. the problem was that it was based on gnome2 and had mir under its belt, so it would've been really really hard to somehow upgrade it

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by braveyellowtoad »

mint2 wrote: post #143
jnwatson wrote: post #69

I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.

I take issue with it, but I haven’t seen any other comment clearly state what I see the issue to be. The issue is the poster spun up the instance in the course of his job. Microsoft and canonical would be reasonable to share that job related info. But instead it appears that either they shared his personal info which would be unethical, or canonical takes the de-identified job info and then matches it with personal i…

Hm in the corporate world, looking up people on LinkedIn is pretty par for the course. As a consultant with a large consulting firm, I meet with lots of different people. Since I have LinkedIn premium I can see who is looking at me. I’d say easily half the people I meet look me up before the meeting, and I do the same. It’s just curiosity and trying to get some background.

What would be weird is sending me a message through there before the meeting. If we are speaking using another channel (like work email accounts), stay on that channel. This is what has gone wrong in this case.

No worries with sending a connection request after our meeting “nice to meet you today and looking forward to collaborating, cheers”

As a side note it’s always funny when we are in the middle of a meeting and a notification pops up that they have looked at my profile. It’s like “hello... pay attention... I’m right here...”

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by tt433 »

aeturnum wrote: post #195
BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

This reminds of of a 2019 paper on "moral crumple zones"[1] which talks about how the human component of automated systems are increasingly there to act as the focus for moral failures. Did your giant automated system do something bad? Blame the one human who was assigned to somehow stop that from happening, no matter how impossible that might be. [1] https://estsjournal.org/index.php/ests/article/view/260

The film "Brazil" was mentioned on another comment on another story a few days ago that touched on this theme, very good movie.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by yellowapple »

IgorPartola wrote: post #14
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

Canonical's been scummy for about a decade now. This is the same company that shoved Amazon results into local desktop searches, then responded to criticisms of that with "Don't trust us? We have root.".

Pretty ironic considering the meaning of the word "ubuntu".

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by cogman10 »

xorx wrote: post #225
jacurtis wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the fact that Microsoft shares this information is concerning. But Microsoft only provides the information to Canonical (according to the ToS) for technical assistance and product support, but not for Marketing purposes. Canonical is the one who violates trust here. Because they are using this information for marketing purposes, which they are not allowed to do under the information sharing agreement that they ha…

You're obviously correct in the de jure sense, here. But there is also a matter of relationship expectation. An unstated assumption of using any "free" product is that it's not actually free. Canonical screwed up, to be sure, but I do think many of us just expect getting harassed by salespeople to be the cost of using a "free" product. Microsoft, on the other hand, charges me by the hour for using Azure. They've take…

Depends a lot on the free product.

For a linux distro, my expectations are that it's "free" but support will cost you money. My expectation is not that it's "free" and the OS will spy on you and report back to HQ so sales can make more sales.

If I don't give personal information on installation my expectation is the product is not harvesting or forwarding that information (For example, I expect that with Facebook, I don't expect that with GIMP).

Both are certainly wrong IMO. MS for giving personal info to a 3rd party and Canonical for bundling spyware with their OS. Both are super icky.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by simosx »

slim wrote: post #277
somehnguy wrote: post #129

I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

I used to be a ubuntu user from the time they were mailing cds like you. I abandoned ubuntu for debian when they started doing strange things with my desktop like putting the window controls on the wrong side of the window for no other reason than user lock in. Last week my son installed ubuntu on his cheap tablet pc. it worked flawlessly : wifi, sound, track pad and even touch screen. on screen keyboard worked. even…

Those windows controls on the left was the result of UI experiments. The mouse travels less when the controls are on the left. Imagine launching an application with the launcher on the left, and when you want to close to close the application, you have to move the mouse aaalllll the way to the right. It is not a breathtaking innovation as OS/X had been doing it already.

You can learn to use the windows controls on the left. I got used to using them and it takes a few days to feel at home. When sadly Ubuntu switched back to GNOME Shell and reverted this change, it felt really unnatural to have those windows controls on the wrong side. Still, you get used to it after a few days.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by njkleiner »

scrollaway wrote: post #275
njkleiner wrote: post #269

It's a real shame, Ubuntu used to be my go-to distro, but for me this is the last straw in the history of shady things Canonical has done. One of the things I liked most about Ubuntu is that the installation process is incredibly easy and everything "just works". Does anyone know a good alternative? I'd love to go all in on Alpine, but using it on the desktop doesn't exactly spark joy.

Desktop: I don't know a single person who went to Arch Linux and regretted it. There is a slight learning curve but nothing a HN reader couldn't deal with. "Just works" type desktop: Don't use linux. Personally, Arch is my go-to desktop and IMO if you can't deal with that, just use macOS or something. There's lots of things that don't "just work" on Linux even today. Bluetooth audio for example has a lot of problems…

Thanks for the suggestions!

> "Just works" type desktop: Don't use linux.

That's why I preferred Ubuntu, it felt like a good compromise between a Linux system and ease of use (or rather ease of setup).

> Just use macOS or something. There's lots of things that don't "just work" on Linux even today.

That's actually what I'm currently doing, for pretty much that exact reason.

That said, I really want to switch to Linux as my primary OS again, I guess I'll give Arch a try.

> The distros have less and less meaning nowadays.

That's a good point.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by mdoms »

slim wrote: post #277
somehnguy wrote: post #129

I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

I used to be a ubuntu user from the time they were mailing cds like you. I abandoned ubuntu for debian when they started doing strange things with my desktop like putting the window controls on the wrong side of the window for no other reason than user lock in. Last week my son installed ubuntu on his cheap tablet pc. it worked flawlessly : wifi, sound, track pad and even touch screen. on screen keyboard worked. even…

> it's for windows users

Honestly as a half-half Windows user the stupid window controls on the wrong side is a big enough turn-off for me that I won't even consider Ubuntu. I think it's for Mac users.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by qeternity »

LegitShady wrote: post #185
jacurtis wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies." The part I find the most enlightening (ie: disturbing) is that Canonical's only regret is that the sales rep used "a poor choice of word" and they will train their salespeople better. I assume the…

It's all about plausible deniability.

Or as law enforcement call it: parallel construction.

The sales rep was probably expected to reach out claiming some other reason, making it look like the standard LinkedIn spam, but in reality much more targeted.

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