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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by j3th9n »

fireball_blaze wrote: post #72
BlueTie wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, in this case, people are mad at Azure/MS and Canonical for betraying developer trust, not the individual salesperson. He's just a pawn in the game. It's not like this guy went rogue; this is his job. It's still his linkedin profile plastered all over twitter right now though more than Azure's EULA/T&C's.

But no one is calling this guy a villain. For example, his name is not mentioned once in all these HN comments. It's not his fault. And indeed the Azure T&C's are definitely referenced a in the Twitter discussion with the OP. Such as: https://twitter.com/dezren39/status/1359726235929223168

No one is calling this guy the villain, but he is pictured as the villain.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by simosx »

somehnguy wrote: post #129

I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

Most likely you tried to run a command, this command was part of a package that has not been installed, and Ubuntu suggested to you to install a specific deb or snap package.

There is a usability package 'command-not-found', which is a handler for the shell and runs when the command you tried to run, was not found.

You mentioned though that you tried to install a package, the package was not found and got a suggestion to use snaps or something. There is no such thing as far as I know.

There are two packages, 'chromium-browser' and 'lxd'. In Ubuntu 20.04, both these packages are now only available as snap packages. If you try to install them with `apt install`, you get a notification that they are now only available as snap packages, and the installer transparently installs the snap package for you. This has been discussed a lot before implementing, and also here. The gist is that when you `sudo apt install chromium-browser`, you want the installation to work, not get an error message to run `sudo snap install chromium` instead.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by bregma »

znpy wrote: post #119
IgorPartola wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

> one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. I wonder what have the consequences been for that guy.

Probably a "graduate trainee" who got a stern talking-to.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by that_guy_iain »

hobofan wrote: post #205
that_guy_iain wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your PII will be in their CRM and they will have access to their CRM. Literally all they need to do this is your name and linkedin. If you think sales people won't have access to names of potential leads then I am not sure what you think sales people do on outbound sales.

Even in an CRM there should be checks on who can access what PII and when. There is a difference between "you are assigned 100 leads for the duration of lead qualification" and "you can yourself pick out leads (and can get access to their PII) out of any of the thousands of possible leads".

I think your expectations of how a company handles Leads are unrealistic. A company just needs to keep your data safe. A sales person having access to Leads makes complete sense. A sales person being able to see if a lead has been chased makes sense. A sales person being able to find Leads to chase that they are best qualified to chase makes sense.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by michaelcampbell »

BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

This feels like some modern day "Glengarry Glen Ross" type stuff.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by sorokod »

rkangel wrote: post #249
tfehring wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I don't understand the quote from Microsoft's statement. Canonical provides "implementation and technical support," right? But they're not allowed to use user data from Microsoft to market those services? How else would that data even be useful for Canonical's "implementation and technical support" services?

This is the full quote from MS, provided in The Register article: "Customer privacy and trust is our top priority at Microsoft. We do not sell any information to third-party companies and only share customer information with Azure Marketplace publishers when customers deploy their product, as outlined in our Terms and Conditions. Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and te…

How more reasonable it would have been for Microsoft to provide the publishers details to consumers instead of the other way around.

Interesting that this is not so.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by closeparen »

alxlaz wrote: post #278
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Azure is... really weird like that. Sometimes it feels like I'm working with Amway, not Microsoft. A few months ago I spent like a week or two playing with Azure Sentinel -- I'm a contractor for a company that develops some security solutions, and I was trying to see if and how the feature I was working on could be integrated with a SIEM. Sentinel, of course, was one of 'em. So I do my thing, then a few weeks pass, t…

Microsoft is trying to position Azure into the world currently dominated by contractors visiting the Windows Server closets of Main Street businesses. This is how that world works.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by bregma »

toyg wrote: post #130
andagainagain wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mir and WAyland was because wayland couldn't do what they wanted technically. Snap came BEFORE flatpak. Flatpak was the "new competing standard" in that situation. And Gnome shell, quite frankly, sucked. IMO it still sucks, but back then it sucked WAY worse.

Yeah, I wouldn't put down Ubuntu's traditional attitude as "we'll copy something so we can own it" - it's more of a "we'll do whatever we think is better for the experience we provide, screw the community". Which is still misguided and fundamentally doomed to fail in the long run, but not as malicious as, say, Apple's moves. At the end of the day the scorecard reads: - Mir: failed - Unity: failed - Snap: mostly faili…

Mir is still going as one of the better Wayland compositors out there.

Unity didn't fail: ongoing development on it was cancelled because there was no way to successfully monetize it. It was, and remains, one of the most successful desktops out there.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by larntz »

I feel like something similar happened with me middle of last year. I was studying for an Azure certification and deployed a few ubuntu servers. Around that time I received an email from someone named Aldo with 'Business Development' in their email signature.

We don't use anything from conanical at work and I've never signed up for anything from them that I recall. I remember at the time thinking it was weird to get this email when I had never before used an ubuntu server in azure. I certainly never expressed any interest in "running ubuntu in a secure manner on Azure" to anyone.

I received the email on June 6, 2020, and then several follow up emails when I didn't respond.

This was the message:

> With 85% of enterprises having either a mandate, preference or exploration of open source technology I've connected with many individuals, while working from home, who have reached out to discuss how we provide proactive security for Ubuntu deployments in the cloud. I understand you have similar interests around running Ubuntu in a secure manner on Azure.

> Ubuntu Pro, our carefully optimized image for production public cloud environments, provides all-inclusive patching for over 30,000 packages (for up to 10 years), FIPS 401-2 certification and Automated security profiles including CIS and DISA STIG.

> That is just a handful of ways we keep companies safe and I was hoping to show you more. How does your schedule look this week, or the next, for a quick chat?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by simosx »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #179
somehnguy wrote: post #129

I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick. Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It r…

I too have started to notice some increased “friction” when trying to setup Ubuntu these days. Like you, I don’t care about “snaps” (though in my ignorance I’m willing to accept I may be missing out on something useful...) Even when you go to their Download page for Server, the first option is not a download link but some blurb about “Multipass” which I’m pretty sure is not what the majority of people are looking for…

That's the page, https://ubuntu.com/download/server

You get three options to run Ubuntu server.

The first option is to run Ubuntu server in a VM, and most users will want to run Ubuntu server in a VM. Multipass is a tool that helps you run Ubuntu server in a VM. Multipass is just a front-end for KVM when you use a Linux distribution. If you use Windows, it is a front-end for Hyper-V, etc.

The second option is to perform a manual installation, which means that you get the ISO and do your thing.

Between the two, most people would want to install Ubuntu Server in a VM rather than on baremetal. I think it makes sense to put that first. If a person is a power-user, then can read on and select Option 2.

I see that there is a perceived negativity on anything Ubuntu that if something is different, it is perceived as something bad is happening.

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