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Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by moate » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

yc-kraln wrote: post #43

alex_young wrote: post #36

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Don’t 3D printed guns have a not insignificant chance of blowing the user up? Seems like a big commitment to using one.

No, actually, they don't. Typically the barrels are machined using electricity and the pressure-sensitive parts are hardened steel. Many firearms are made out of plastic anyway (Glocks, to name one you might be familiar with). It's not hard to build a reliable firearm with fairly little skill. In the United States, it's not even illegal to do so.

I think we have a lot of people having very different discussions about what "3D printed gun" means. This can be anything from a fully plastic weapon like the Liberator to what you're describing (more 3D components and home assembled traditional components coming together which really just feels like the "80% receiver" style ghost guns) to a fully metal 3D printed 1911 off a machine that itself costs at least half a million dollars to acquire.

Point being: Yes they do, but also no they don't, because you're having different conversations about different types of weapons. Are fully plastic weapons commonly used for anything? Doesn't seem to be, and I would suspect the reason is because they'd be inclined to blow up/warp after a single fire.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by mikestew » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

lutoma wrote: post #102

Honest question: How is this relevant to Hacker News? As a non-American i was rather bewildered to find this here. Is there a serious overlap between gun enthusiasts and the IT community in the US?

I would probably fit the description of "typical West Coast liberal" were it not for the Colt 1991 factory customized we have in the gun locker (along with a couple other boom sticks). Reformed Midwesterner who didn't sell all of the guns after the conversion. Don't carry that Colt, and don't even shoot it much anymore, but the story does interest me because I can admire fine mechanical things, and it is good to know that Colt isn't going to some private equity firm like Remington.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by mrweasel » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #90

TecoAndJix wrote: post #35

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I'm now trying to picture what an Apple handgun would look like

An iGun will only fire specially made square iBullets with DRM chips

Well, it can only shoot at other iGun owner, so that kinda limits it’s usefulness.

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Post by nickthemagicman » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

linksnapzz wrote: post #70

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Is there any country in history that prevented its downfall because its civilians are armed to the teeth?

The last person to successfully invade Switzerland was... Napoleon? Likewise, while it may not be to your taste, Afghanistan's polity has spent the last 200 years stubbornly being Afghan, to the surprise and annoyance of the British, Russians, Americans, etc.

Switzerland has the loosest gun laws in the world next to America.

They have laws REQUIRING able bodied males have a gun.

Also, The Swedes inteternally had a coup to overthrow the monarchy.

I can't imagine the monarchy turned over it's power due to love or because someone asked nicely.

I imagine there's a significant possibility the threat of weapons may have been present.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by goles » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

curryst wrote: post #74

vageli wrote: post #16

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“Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.” With 3d printed guns already a reality (I have seen designs for completely printed models, including the bolt carrier), the cat is out of the bag.

> I have seen designs for completely printed models, including the bolt carrier Are these parts functional? I would be literally stunned if you could 3D print a bolt carrier group that lasts more than a clip. The last I looked (and it's been a couple years), the designs exist, but are largely non-functional and/or still require several parts to be made of steel. The barrel is another problematic piece. I get that wit…

My observations of how 3D printing is evolving doesn't align with OPs. Why go to great lengths to print pressure bearing parts while many of them can be crafted from off the shelf parts from your local Home Depot? Stock steel, a welder, and some airsoft parts can all be used as functional substitutes and a lot of creators have functional models from these methods.

In most parts of the United States a barrel (or anything other than the frame/receiver for that matter) is not a regulated part. You can order it online and have it show up at your door without ID or signing for it. Even in areas where barrels are regulated it only requires a few materials to electrochemically machine a barrel.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by dmix » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

SauciestGNU wrote: post #72

Erwin wrote: post #64

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That's one cool looking gun. Like that futuristic FN Herstal's P90, featured in Stargate.

It's their modern omage to the CZ vz61 Skorpion, which appeared in GoldenEye 64 as the Klobb.

A famous “bad guy” gun like the AK.

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Post by yellowapple » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

frongpik wrote: post #60

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You have no idea how capitalist markets work apparently. If the DEA decided to buy up all the street drugs and burn them it would create a million new drug dealers overnight as the prices would spike. Less guns is not the solution. The solution is to round up all the humans and cut their thumbs off so they can’t use tools to kill each other.

That's a solid solution, actually, and it would prevent fist fights as well.

If anything it'd make fistfights easier, since there's no thumb in the way.

Not to mention kicks, slaps, and karate chops.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by jbob2000 » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

lutoma wrote: post #102

Honest question: How is this relevant to Hacker News? As a non-American i was rather bewildered to find this here. Is there a serious overlap between gun enthusiasts and the IT community in the US?

I’m so torn on guns. If you had asked me about them when I was younger, I would tell you that I don’t think they have a place in society and that we should ban them.

But as I’ve aged, I see class structures and the power of the elites much more clearly. I see how systems can be more violent than people. And that individuals do not have a lot of power these days because society is filled with so many systems.

Owning a gun returns some power to the individual. I don’t want my power for defense given to the police, I want to control that power. I don’t care if the situations I want it for will never happen, I want the comfort of having that power.

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Post by njharman » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

suifbwish wrote: post #22

ed_blackburn wrote: post #5

Doesn't seem like a lot of money. Shame somebody didn't buy it and shutter it. Less guns in the world is better for everyone.

You have no idea how capitalist markets work apparently. If the DEA decided to buy up all the street drugs and burn them it would create a million new drug dealers overnight as the prices would spike. Less guns is not the solution. The solution is to round up all the humans and cut their thumbs off so they can’t use tools to kill each other.

The true mission of Elons brain interface. Save us from our thumbless future.

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Post by magila » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

nostrademons wrote: post #93

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An ICBM hitting a target purely on internal guidance is an entirely different level of problem from what SpaceX is doing with cooperative positioning systems at the target. Also keep in mind that the "wikipedia numbers" for classified weapons systems are usually "at least" numbers, not exact. It's not at all clear who has more data between GOOG and NSA. Both don't exactly declare the numbers, but it is known that in…

"in several recent years NSA has been the largest single buyer of spinning disks in the world." The rest of the world moved to SSDs in ~2010. Google's been storing the whole web on flash since then. (I guess if you're archiving for slow-speed retrieval disks are still useful, but if that's your use-case, why wouldn't you use tape?)

I left the storage industry about 5 years ago, but at least as of then the big cloud providers were still buying lots of spinning rust and showed no signs of stopping. These companies store a lot of long tail data which needs to be available but doesn't need super low latency access. It's still much more economical to store such data on disks than in flash.