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Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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Does it bother anyone that China continues to hack us? It is very possible that this was a government-backed attack, which wouldn't be the first against Google by the Chinese government. The biggest problem is that these don't seem to be sophisticated attacks. They didn't find a backdoor or install some malicious piece of code...they simply "hacked people" with phishing scams. I think a great place for the US govt (a…

The US Government has backdoors into every large webservice in the world. China has to hack their way in. That's the main difference here, as the USG long ago stopped being "on our side".

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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It is great that Google is open with this stuff and the security tips were mostly good, but it was inappropriate to only recommend Chrome in a security message. All modern browsers have anti-phishing features. This came off as advertising.

Chrome is generally regarded as the most secure browser around. The sandboxed security model[1] is something nothing else offers, and it's had less exploitable security problems than any other browser. It might be advertising, but it's also accurate. [1] http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/new-approach-to-browser-sec...

How does the sandboxed security model mitigate phishing risk?

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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Why are "Senior US Officials" using gmail?

To keep discussions off the public record.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/06/starbucksgate-crew-calls...

Even in absence of some wrong-doing, officials are people too. Why would they conduct personal business using their work account?

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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Yeah, it bothers someone: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13614125 Just today it is widely reported the Pentagon is setting a new policy that cyber attacks can be considered acts of war which lets the Pentagon retaliate with conventional weapons. Hack my email, get an ICBM.

I saw this a few days ago. I believe that if another country hacked the US and took top secret data, it could potentially cause as much damage as a conventional weapon. So, using conventional weapons in retaliation for cyber-attacks doesn't seem that far fetched. We are definitely in an interesting time with regards to technology and policy. Both exciting and scary.

The problem is attribution. Imagine if all an Al-Qaeda hacker had to do to start a major war was to compromise a Chinese computer and use it to attack a sufficiently sensitive US military target.

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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It is great that Google is open with this stuff and the security tips were mostly good, but it was inappropriate to only recommend Chrome in a security message. All modern browsers have anti-phishing features. This came off as advertising.

Unless I'm much mistaken Chrome is the most secure browser out there, so it makes in a video from Google about security imho.

More secure: the browser known as links.

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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I now realize that we are perfectly and 100% secure right this very moment Lol. :-) If a user enters , how do we know for sure that they aren't entering under duress? Haven't you heard of the three factors of authentication? Something they steal, something they chop off, and something they beat out of you... We'd better just scrap this whole authentication thing altogether. You can't. It's a fundamental activity, as…

> Haven't you heard of the three factors of authentication? > > Something they steal, something they chop off, and something they > beat out of you... I have, but 3-factor authentication doesn't prevent duress. If someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to enter your password + SecureID + retinal scan, what are you going to do? > The irony is that millions of years of evolution has given us humans > so much bui…

If someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to enter your password + SecureID + retinal scan, what are you going to do?

Wish I'd never agreed to the biometric factor.

That was sort of my point.

Look dude, I may agree with you, but don't expect me to defend to the death your right to say it. Well, maybe this time, but just this once, OK? :-)

The problem is so complex that there is no silver bullet solution. The only thing that we can do is incrementally improve our solutions.

An important thing to recognize here is that there are often multiple stakeholders involved, sometimes with competing interests. E.g., your bank, your employer, or your email provider's website... and you. There's not always agreement on what constitutes improvement. An employer may love the biometrics idea, but as you point out, it could easily make its employees targets of physical violence.

Typically the party that chooses the authentication scheme is the one that writes the check for it. This is not always the party with the most to lose and is almost never the actual user being authenticated.

Using a hash of a retinal scan as a passphrase in order to make public key cryptography more mainstream could be a good thing compared to what we have now."

I disagree, but you haven't described anything concrete enough for us to discuss.

It wouldn't be perfect, but questions like "do you trust the hardware" are not unique to this solution. You could pose the same question about using a keyboard to enter a password.*

Right. People get their keystrokes captured all the time, so unless your solution addresses the common issues too it's not worth going inside the eyeball for it. At least passwords are easy to change.

It seems that widely adopted authentication systems can never guarantee a strongly trusted endpoint. It always comes down to trying to lock secrets in some box which is then distributed as widely as possible. This idea has failed every time it's been tried.

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I haven't heard the term "50 cent army" before. I assume it's not a rapper's fan club?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Ah, I see.

I'm a member of the Kiss Army, the Skynyrd Nation, and the Bananarama Republic.

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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Why are "Senior US Officials" using gmail?

It's their personal accounts.

Then why would it matter if it got hacked? Surely they aren't conducting any official government "business" on their personal Gmail account, right?

Re: Google uncovers major account-hijacking campaign targeting senior US officials

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Obvious sickening propaganda for closing down the Internet!

Why would Google want to close down the Internet?

Not close it down exactly, control it and police it. Say who can have a presence on it and who cannot. What you can put on it and what not.
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