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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by spotyoufi462881 »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #153
nicoburns wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was with you up until a couple of months ago. But IMO the latest versions have caught up with Chrome. They've sorted the performance (scroll performance and UI) issues with the new "fenix" version. The tab switching works great now. And the latest (stable) version even supports pull-to-refresh. Add extension support to that (notably ublock) and I've made it my default browser (and that's on merit, not for ideologic…

Performance on Fenix is possibly even worse than Fennec for me. Every time I switch to a different app and back to Firefox it has cleared the page out of memory and needs to reload it (and my phone has 4 GB of RAM). Fun times if you need to copy a 2FA code and then go back to the browser. Then there's the other weird issues. The bottom 5% of the page or so usually doesn't really render correctly (especially if it's a…

The need to reload thing is probably not Firefox's problem. I was annoyed by that too on android. But then I disabled battery optimizations for the android app. It's kinda a hassle because I have to disable it in 2 or 3 places. The 'don't kill my app' website helps [1]. Now it's working fine. I could keep many 10s of tabs open even for a day without reload.

I think that bottom 5% issue is fixed now, not sure.

One annoying problem is that sometimes it jumps around the page when collapsing comments in sites like HN.

Another problem is occasional random crashes when private browsing. Only on android. Anyone else here have the same problem? 99% of times, I send crash report. Hope they fix it. Or maybe it's a problem with my phone?

Love Firefox though.

[1] https://dontkillmyapp.com/

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

hutzlibu wrote: post #98
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #55

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That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real. Its ever so easy to dismiss bias when we have an emotional connection. It's worth being careful about, noticing and even sometimes bringing up. And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up. Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 peo…

I am not a US citicien, but as far as I know, black people are less likely to go to university so are less likely to end up in tech. Now is this the fault of mozilla? Hardly. But are they supposed to hire people because of their race and not of their skills? That would be the definition of racism, no?

Factored into the calculation. Look at the link.

My comment is an attempt to frame exactly that discussion. The chances, in America, of the Mozilla result is 1 in 12. Please inform us all if there is better evidence, that Mozilla's result is more likely for some reason.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

EvilEy3 wrote: post #76
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #55

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That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real. Its ever so easy to dismiss bias when we have an emotional connection. It's worth being careful about, noticing and even sometimes bringing up. And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up. Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 peo…

> That's the usual defensive line. Its not about color as long as the work gets done. Never mind imbalance or systematic exclusion, that can't be real. You're either trolling or completely delusional. > And not helpful to get trolled and mocked for bringing it up. It's not helpful to bring agenda when it is not there. > Is this picture really disproportion in makeup? Lets see, 40 people, black faces make up 14% of Am…

All factored into the calculation. Look at the link, before mocking (again).

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by acdha »

smsm42 wrote: post #147
acdha wrote: post #91

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No, that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted. This is a common hazard of visibly working in open source and it's caused a lot of people to decide it's not worth being involved in a project.

As somebody who participated in an open-source project, I know the feeling. Whatever you decide at any decision point, there would be people that would loudly claim only an idiot could do something so obviously stupid. It's tough and sometimes exhausting and discouraging. But I never seen a single case where publicly flipping off people and calling them "haters" and proclaiming you do not care for their concerns (how…

Why is it her job to make a mob happy? She was targeted for nasty treatment and doesn’t owe them anything. It would be nice if there was a way to get those people to start contributing positively to the world but their decision not to do so is their responsibility alone. If this made her feel better after having to put up with that, I’m not going to fault her for it.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by skinkestek »

ekager wrote: post #104
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #56

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There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.” > Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.

Hi! Emily here! Added some more context in a footnote in the blog post about this "obscene gesture" and the harassment after the fact. TLDR: The amount of disgusting harassment I received was unbelievable and could never be justified as a reasonable reaction to an "obscene gesture"

I don't know really understand why users hate on ordinary devs.

But as someone who is still using Firefox despite Mozilla management (not the devs) ignoring us, belittling us when we voice our concerns and destroy the software we fell in love with more than a decade ago over "ux" I can understand why people are frustrated:

Firefox was in another league.

Someone wrote about Pale Moon the other day, I can sadly not recommend using it as the main browser, I'm not in a position to vouch for the security, but if anyone wonders they could try to create a few ugly modern apps or open a few known safe websites and have a look :

it feels snappy, even years after Firefox diverged! And it looks so good with all the old extensions.

A real shame even I don't really dare to use it, but the web is a harsh environment.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by skinkestek »

dralley wrote: post #65
throwaway123x2 wrote: post #3

FireFox is my main driver and I still use it on Android... but I have to say the android refresh wasn't great. It's full on random usability errors, it crashes, and they started curating extensions for mobile. That said, I do appreciate all the work FireFox devs put in to give us a Chrome alternative. Misfires happen. I hope FF for Android keeps getting better with time.

I've never seen a crash, and personally I can attest that the new version is much snappier and more responsive. I don't like every aspect of the UI but it was a worthwhile upgrade IMO. re: addons, a lot of people were understandably upset about this, myself included for a while. With that said, in the months after release every extension which had been disabled by the upgrade started coming back online as the extensi…

There's a story here:

Many extensions, including some major ones are still broken on Firefox desktop and I think people are afraid this will happen on mobile as well :-/

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by cbsks »

tehbeard wrote: post #80
EvilEy3 wrote: post #49

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Same. Firefox + Lockwise is a great combination, will also use Mozilla VPN when that comes out.

Wasn't Mozilla VPN just a white label of a shady VPN company? Or did they switch partners? Vaguely recall some unsettledness when it was first announced.

They use Mullvad, which is a reputable VPN provider.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by BlueTemplar »

smsm42 wrote: post #134
hutzlibu wrote: post #132

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Of course they would give your IP if there is a warrant. It is not their duty to ensure that you can say anything here. But there are plenty of places left, where you can literaly say anything. Just like in the beginning. Btw. some IRC clients or forums from the old days still run today.

I'm not talking about a court-mandated warrant. I'm talking about a friendly chat with a fellow law enforcement person who cordially asks for help - who needs warrants between friends? And you do want to be friends with the law enforcement, because it's a bad enemy to have, aren't they? > It is not their duty to ensure that you can say anything here. I'm not saying it's their duty. I am saying you can't at the same t…

Hmm, are you sure that is legal?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by BlueTemplar »

skinkestek wrote: post #165
ekager wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! Emily here! Added some more context in a footnote in the blog post about this "obscene gesture" and the harassment after the fact. TLDR: The amount of disgusting harassment I received was unbelievable and could never be justified as a reasonable reaction to an "obscene gesture"

I don't know really understand why users hate on ordinary devs. But as someone who is still using Firefox despite Mozilla management (not the devs) ignoring us, belittling us when we voice our concerns and destroy the software we fell in love with more than a decade ago over "ux" I can understand why people are frustrated: Firefox was in another league . Someone wrote about Pale Moon the other day, I can sadly not re…

Opera was in another league too, but they fucked it up too.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

#170

Post by BlueTemplar »

ekager wrote: post #104
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.” > Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.

Hi! Emily here! Added some more context in a footnote in the blog post about this "obscene gesture" and the harassment after the fact. TLDR: The amount of disgusting harassment I received was unbelievable and could never be justified as a reasonable reaction to an "obscene gesture"

Ouch...

Thank you for your work!

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