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Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

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Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

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I go to your page, cannot find a video of what it is immediately and then left. I think a lot of people like a video to show them what to expect with most startups these days!

Totally agree! We are just starting out so haven't been able to get a video on our website yet - but you read my mind cuz we are working on that as we speak! Here is a video describing "what it is": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyuh0cQjKSU and for a demo of the class - here is this one as well: https://docsend.com/view/hxra3rnfevsytg4v

I'm unwilling to give you my email address for a demo.

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

#52

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Totally agree! We are just starting out so haven't been able to get a video on our website yet - but you read my mind cuz we are working on that as we speak! Here is a video describing "what it is": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyuh0cQjKSU and for a demo of the class - here is this one as well: https://docsend.com/view/hxra3rnfevsytg4v

I'm unwilling to give you my email address for a demo.

just put in mine: [redacted] (its a security setting for our other documents) - sorry about that

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

#53

So is this some sort of hyperventilation breathwork done in savasana to pop music? I guess as long as the breath retentions aren't super long they should be ok, as long as the practitioner doesn't have underlying health issues, but I've seen videos of people having mini seizures doing Wim Hof breathing. Just be careful with it, there's a reason why pranayama is introduced gently and progressively over a long period o…

Super great comments. Our class is split between the breathwork and then also traditional Vipassana or Insight style meditation. One of the reasons we don't typically describe it as "breathwork" is for the reasons you highlight and have been raised in other comments regarding how the Gof breathwork is supppppper intense. Our method is MUCH more tame and approachable - fitting for a daily practice -- vs when I've done the Grof style I feel completely wiped (in a good way sometimes) but not something Id like to do more than once every few months. All to say - we try and stay away from calling it breathwork because people either 1) think its Grof and are freaked out or 2) think its chill yogic breathing like you do through the nostrils in a yoga class and that’s misleading too. We also have grappled with if we should call it meditation and have decided for the time being that yes - it helps people context set - and the way we use the breath (which is different than the full blown Grof version) together with the beat of music and teachers voice is similar to meditation in that you have an "object of focus" you train the mind to stay on. Would love to hear if you have any ideas for what else to call it - cuz we totally have gone back and forth on this topic.

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

#54

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heres a trial that you dont need to put any cc info in: https://sutrapro.com/chorusmeditation/pricing/checkout/EbHZD... and for the video on docsend, its not a paid wall - just put in your email and you can view: https://docsend.com/view/hxra3rnfevsytg4v

The trial still requires full name, email address, and for me to create a password. The docsend video requires an email address, and rejects "a@example.com" as fake, so it wants a real email address, which implies to me you want to collect it for marketing / lead generation purposes. Is there any reason you can't put a one or two minute "example" meditation video on YouTube?

Go ahead and just use my email [redacted] (its a security setting for our other documents)

its hard to convey the full vibe in 2 minutes - for a couple explanation videos we do have on youtube check out these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyuh0cQjKSU&t=28s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUJhfjxvNDE&t=1s

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

#55
This looks interesting. I've tried mindfulness and meditation on and off for over a decade (mostly mindfulness) and struggle as much now to keep focus and not drift into continuing internal conversations as I did when I started.

Recently I have realised I have many Attention Deficit Disorder traits, and likely have ADD.

What's your experience of meditation and people with ADD? How does the practice change for them, and what works best?

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

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Hey! You're so right and we are working on making a demo available on the website - but in the meantime, let me just share one we have in our system -- here ya go: https://docsend.com/view/hxra3rnfevsytg4v

I like the approach, but find the choice of music and the constant speaking of the instructor distressing. Nothing for me in this format.

Same. I was interested based on the promises and descriptions; then I watched the demo on docsend and immediately realized WOW is this not for me. I wanted to strangle the instructor within 30 seconds of hearing their voice.

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

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The trial still requires full name, email address, and for me to create a password. The docsend video requires an email address, and rejects "a@example.com" as fake, so it wants a real email address, which implies to me you want to collect it for marketing / lead generation purposes. Is there any reason you can't put a one or two minute "example" meditation video on YouTube?

Go ahead and just use my email [redacted] (its a security setting for our other documents) its hard to convey the full vibe in 2 minutes - for a couple explanation videos we do have on youtube check out these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyuh0cQjKSU&t=28s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUJhfjxvNDE&t=1s

The docsend just nests a public vimeo video. You could just post the link to vimeo. By having it through an email-required docsend, it seems like chorusmeditation is more interested in the pii.

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

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Hey! You're so right and we are working on making a demo available on the website - but in the meantime, let me just share one we have in our system -- here ya go: https://docsend.com/view/hxra3rnfevsytg4v

I'm not familiar with meditation; I hear it's all the rage but I don't understand the benefits. It is said to "reduce stress", but stress is mostly the result of external stimuli. It's a symptom, like fever. If you treat the symptom without addressing the cause, what good is it? Meditation sounds like a post-religion religion, but at least there was the promise of silence. Now we have loud meditation? To me this vide…

> It is said to "reduce stress", but stress is mostly the result of external stimuli. It's a symptom, like fever. If you treat the symptom without addressing the cause, what good is it?

As a long time meditator I agree with you, this is a very insightful comment. Unfortunately many of the things sold as "meditation" in the west are totally divorced from their original intent and are repackaged as stress reduction or performance enhancing instead. I find that trend quite dangerous.

Meditation (dhyana) is multifaceted and has many different traditions, but the major forms all tend to be about mind training in order to help the practitioner have some sort of realization about the nature of self. What that self is is where traditions diverge.

So yes you'd be correct in saying that stress is a symptom and focusing solely on these sorts of things is treating a symptom. You can certainly become addicted to these stress-reducing activities and end up not fundamentally altering the root cause. You see it in these western health spaces a lot, the people that come in and take intense daily yoga classes and keep crashing into depression once the endorphin highs go away since they're not focusing on treating the fundamental issues.

The path of meditation is hugely beneficial though and is not just about symptom treating in traditional lineages.

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

#59
post #55

This looks interesting. I've tried mindfulness and meditation on and off for over a decade (mostly mindfulness) and struggle as much now to keep focus and not drift into continuing internal conversations as I did when I started. Recently I have realised I have many Attention Deficit Disorder traits, and likely have ADD. What's your experience of meditation and people with ADD? How does the practice change for them, a…

I am SO glad you asked this. Meditation is amazing for people who struggle with attention. Essentially what you are doing in meditation is training the brain to be able to stay focused on one thing and that, just like with any other muscle, makes your brain better at this over time. The kind of meditation that is the most effective for helping with focus and things like ADD is called "Focused Attention." In this kind of meditation you focus on an object of focus and dont let you mind drift away. In Chorus we do TONS of focused attention techniques. Essentially what you want is a "concrete object of attention" - so something like a mantra (a phrase you repeat over and over) would be more concrete than say, just feeling your breath. We designed Chorus to give people super concrete objects to focus on so its easier to get into that meditative state.

Since starting to meditate myself I have become way better at reading speed, comprehension and overall focus has improved dramatically.

Here is a study that talks about it: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/108705470730850...

Re: Launch HN: Chorus Meditation (YC W21) – Meditation for Non-Meditators

#60

So is this some sort of hyperventilation breathwork done in savasana to pop music? I guess as long as the breath retentions aren't super long they should be ok, as long as the practitioner doesn't have underlying health issues, but I've seen videos of people having mini seizures doing Wim Hof breathing. Just be careful with it, there's a reason why pranayama is introduced gently and progressively over a long period o…

Super great comments. Our class is split between the breathwork and then also traditional Vipassana or Insight style meditation. One of the reasons we don't typically describe it as "breathwork" is for the reasons you highlight and have been raised in other comments regarding how the Gof breathwork is supppppper intense. Our method is MUCH more tame and approachable - fitting for a daily practice -- vs when I've done…

Yeah, naming is tough! If you're guiding people from something that resembles pranayama to eventually dhyana then I guess calling it meditation would be fine. I'd just make it clear to your students that working with the breath is a preliminary practice, to help them to begin to recognize awareness. And in particular not to attach to the high that comes with exercises like this, chasing sensation. That could set them back when they need to learn about samatha, because vipassana eventually requires it (see, for example, mahamudra teachings).
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