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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by tyrust » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

gabereiser wrote: post #10

> ...but the release just felt like a blip in our planned schedule before jumping into more sprints and fires and thinking about the next iteration. Welcome to agile ? I know the feeling, honestly, but in software engineering there's always more bugs to fix, more features to develop, more needs of the users that require your attention. Cutting a release should feel like letting go, and indeed at places it does, but u…

> I feel like we (the readers) need a bit more context.

Speak for yourself. They provided a candid perspective about their career at Mozilla. I wouldn't demand additional context if they didn't already feel it relevant to provide.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by aloisdg » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

In France we work 35h and I thin we should move to 28h. More and more company do the move.

https://www.welcometothejungle.com/fr/articles/travailler-4-...

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by rvz » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

thgaway17 wrote: post #12

mdoms wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech gets unending criticism for lack of diversity including the lack of black employees.

There’s all sorts of age, gender, and racial diversity in that photo. Just no black faces.

So what and who cares? Just because you see one team that doesn't have a 'black face' in a photo means they should be criticised for not having such a person in the team? Are you going to look for every black face in Mozilla's all hands meeting?

I just want Firefox for Android to work better and whoever is qualified to make this happen regardless of the colour of their face, I don't care; neither do the users care either.

Maybe it's only the racists that care so much about the colour of someone's face is on the team.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by jvzr » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

gabereiser wrote: post #10

> ...but the release just felt like a blip in our planned schedule before jumping into more sprints and fires and thinking about the next iteration. Welcome to agile ? I know the feeling, honestly, but in software engineering there's always more bugs to fix, more features to develop, more needs of the users that require your attention. Cutting a release should feel like letting go, and indeed at places it does, but u…

I have no particular data for her harassment, but I've read here and on other media outlets some pretty angry comments about that Android rewrite. I can totally imagine some people venting on Twitter, and even targeting parts of the team. Though I can't say I've seen that myself... just hypothesizing.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by u678u » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

Its not just that, the one week of PTO she talks about as if its really unusual.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by muglug » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

Speaking just from my own experience, maintaining open-source software can be unhealthily engrossing. The combination of wanting to please random internet strangers and everyone being in different time zones has, at times, overcome the flimsy work-life barriers I’ve tried to erect.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by inoffensivename » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

I'm on a personal quest to reduce the average American working week

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by mauricioc » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

The Firefox mobile rewrite (Fenix) is just fantastic, and for me it is a huge improvement over the previous version. Many thanks to Emily and the whole team that shipped it, it's much appreciated :)

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by ppf » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that the web is dead and Google has won.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by walrus01 » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

u678u wrote: post #25

walrus01 wrote: post #9

> That and.. I am also extremely burnt out. > Working too much during the week for the last 2 years was normal for me We need to stop normalizing working beyond a 40 hour work week. I can accomplish far more and with greater clarity of purpose, mental acuity and motivation in an actual 40 hours, than I could if I attempt to push myself to 10-12 hours a day.

Its not just that, the one week of PTO she talks about as if its really unusual.

That as well, and the part immediately next to it quoted:

> but the release just felt like a blip in our planned schedule before jumping into more sprints and fires and thinking about the next iteration.

and this

> On the negative side, it has become increasingly hard for me to separate work from not work. I found myself “contributing” (read - working) at all hours of the day. Replying to issues, emails, and public chats when I was in bed at midnight, when I just woke up at 7am, in the car on the way to go hiking on the weekend, and then while ON the hike.