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TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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This is a link to actual free turbotax and hr block: https://www.turbotaxsucksass.com/ It was on Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj

This is what I used this year after watching the show and it worked great. I recommend this link to all my friends now. It also seems like they keep it up to date which is nice.

Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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I am a chump who uses TurboTax every year. Having seen a few cases of the IRS going after someone I knew, I just pay the danegeld.

Perhaps I do not need TurboTax, but I know that the laws at the state and federal level change every year and that I have no real ability to track any of this, but the penalties can be high for failure. I rarely understand tax jargon, in any case; I always feel like I am on the back foot of some "clever" debate team tactic of convenient definitions.

So, aside from just the lobbying aspect -- which is not trivial -- I would say that the general terror of the IRS (Al Capone, after all, fell to them), the shifting territories of tax law, and the jargon barriers also contribute to keeping TurboTax in business.

Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on this site[0], it looks like you have to use a 'partner' to file the forms if you make under $72,000 a year, is that right? 0: https://www.irs.gov/filing/free-file-do-your-federal-taxes-f...

The IRS site gives that impression, but I believe that's not the case. There is "IRS Free File" which is income limited as you mention, but there is also "Free File Fillable Forms" which appears to not be income limited. Intentionally misleading if you ask me.

Yes, and I presume it’s because some corrupt legislators are twisting the IRS’ arm on behalf of Intuit.

Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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post #38

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Money. Receiving money is the fundamental difference between lobbying and discussing policy with constituents.

Not really - constituents donate money.

How often has a single (non-rich) constituents money been the cause of policy change?

This is comparing a gun to a nuke. Yes, you could kill just as many people with a gun, but the nuke is hyper efficient at the job. They're not the same.

Lobbyists may be akin to a policy nuke. They have an arsenal of tools from influence, to money, to unethical and sometimes illegal behavior. Their positions have become so effective that it drowns out most others.

edit: Another way to think about it is that Lobbyists have changed, i think, from the voice of a group of people to a voice instead of a group of people. Leaving many people voiceless in the face of insane capital and influence.

Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

#86

We're sorry the answer to "why can't we have nice things" wasn't [political party], it was lobbyists . Lobbyists is the answer to, "why can't we have nice things"!

It is possible to ignore a lobbyist, it's still up to political representatives to do right by their constituents.

Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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I used to say turbo tax wasn't that bad, and that free filing was easy if you just ignored their promises to save you money if you upgraded. Last year however I got all the way to the end of the process where they revealed I made too much and had to pay. That felt extremely unethical, as the information required to come to that conclusion was available far earlier in the process. And yet what am I going to do but use…

Credit Karma is free. Works great, and has no discernable dark patterns. They even have import features from major payroll companies like ADP. I had to quit turbotax because one year I was a 1099 worker and every year since, it pushes me to go with their "small business edition." Each year it got harder to avoid "upgrading." Seriously, just do it. Quitting TT is so much easier than quitting anything else.

How does Credit Karma make money? I'd feel more comfortable using them if I understood this.

Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fair play when you use quotation marks to insinuate a strawman opposing argument that no one in the thread has actually made.

> most other developed nations where the government just sends you a receipt for you to verify and your taxes are otherwise taken care of for you ... is quoted literally from the original post on this thread.

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Re: TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019)

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1. You can file your taxes for free in the US. You only have to pay if you want to do so through a tax preparation service or software.

2. It's actually pretty easy to use the electronic forms or just use paper.

3. Tax software is good, and a competent tax preparer is even better.

Why we have a tax system which creates so much work there is an entire set of industries (tech, tax preparers, etc) built around it just to pay the government is kind of loony...

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