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The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Do you mean personality wise? Physically, I just googled and found he won a most beautiful faces award this year and consistently ranked on the same list. Never heard of TC Candler but their youtube lists have millions of views. I doubt he’s actually objectively #1 but clearly they don’t think he’s unattractive. There’s a lot of variance in female taste, so you frequently see comments along the lines of “[Objectively…

>He’s lean, young, 5’10”, has good skin and a reasonable fashion sense, and there’s nothing obviously wrong with his face. That alone more or less puts him in the 90% percentile. Well yes, not to mention that he's a completely self-made multimillionaire with a charming accent. He's certainly what I imagine going for were I attracted to men. Having anyone who is into men say they're not interested is noteworthy, such…

Have you talked to women about attraction? It’s extremely common to hear them say “ugh celebrity x is not at all attractive”.

No woman universally finds all celebrities attractive. Okcupid had an excellent blog series on attractiveness ratings by gender. When rating women, men used more or less a normal distribution.

Whereas the default female rating was “unattractive”, and only a tiny fraction are rated extremely attractive. And from my own experience the variance is high: different women find different types of men attractive.

Check out okcupid’s graphs here, see the chart female messaging and male attractiveness: https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo...

I don’t follow pewdiepie and I certainly wouldn’t claim he’s the most attractive man in the world or anything. I’m pushing back against the idea that he’s unattractive or against the idea that some women saying he’s unattractive means he doesn’t also have a ton of women who find him attractive.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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I don’t think she competes in a tested federation, so it’s not a problem.

You completely skipped over a highly relevant portion of my comment re: the illegality of steroids for this purpose.

Yeah you’re right. I read it as talking about the competition legalities.

Anyway I think the most practical justification why they don’t talk about this is because their sponsors don’t like it. Money talks.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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>He’s lean, young, 5’10”, has good skin and a reasonable fashion sense, and there’s nothing obviously wrong with his face. That alone more or less puts him in the 90% percentile. Well yes, not to mention that he's a completely self-made multimillionaire with a charming accent. He's certainly what I imagine going for were I attracted to men. Having anyone who is into men say they're not interested is noteworthy, such…

Have you talked to women about attraction? It’s extremely common to hear them say “ugh celebrity x is not at all attractive”. No woman universally finds all celebrities attractive. Okcupid had an excellent blog series on attractiveness ratings by gender. When rating women, men used more or less a normal distribution. Whereas the default female rating was “unattractive”, and only a tiny fraction are rated extremely at…

My point wasn't really about absolute numbers so much as how consistently men overestimate his attractiveness to women. I'm not saying he's the only one or would be considered more unattractive than the average man, just that it's surprising how poorly we understand what the opposite gender finds attractive.

If you doubt that is an objective observation, it would be quite easy to test and I'd certainly be interested in the results. One possible protocol would be to select several celebrities, make pairs of them at random, and ask your friends both which of the pair they find more attractive and which of a different set of pairs they imagine the other gender would find more attractive.

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Have you talked to women about attraction? It’s extremely common to hear them say “ugh celebrity x is not at all attractive”. No woman universally finds all celebrities attractive. Okcupid had an excellent blog series on attractiveness ratings by gender. When rating women, men used more or less a normal distribution. Whereas the default female rating was “unattractive”, and only a tiny fraction are rated extremely at…

My point wasn't really about absolute numbers so much as how consistently men overestimate his attractiveness to women. I'm not saying he's the only one or would be considered more unattractive than the average man, just that it's surprising how poorly we understand what the opposite gender finds attractive. If you doubt that is an objective observation, it would be quite easy to test and I'd certainly be interested…

That’s fair, I suspect you might be right that if you to make some sort of index of “male overestimates of universal attractiveness of a celebrity to women” he might be high on it because he’s so popular with men on an emotional level.

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> you'll get plenty of attention But qualitatively different attention IMHO. Great looking guy with zero personality: shallow attention e.g. one-night stands or pure accessory. Ugly guy with great personality: veer towards long-term relationships or maybe friend-zoning.

Disagree. If you think that is true of you, then maybe you don't have as great a personality as you think you do. Women love funny, confident guys.

Ha ha!

Actually I was talking about what I have seen in friends and acquaintances, although I have seen exceptions too.

Might depend upon country too...

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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This is a lot more incel-y than I am accustomed to seeing on HackerNews.

I see a lot of incel-y talk on HN. Some of it seems predicated on Silicon Valley as a gold rush town, with men outnumbering women ten to one and the women taking that in a mercenary opportunity. Almost any discussion of dating will turn up a lot of such views.

A long way off-topic, but any talk of incel is likely to be taken as an insult (although some use it in a positive way). The word definitely doesn’t apply to me! Personally, I have never even heard the word used within my own social circles (some of which are geeky).

The hn crowd seems to be particularly international to me - making assumptions based on SV seems wierd. I am in New Zealand with a normal ratio of genders, and plenty of social situations to meet women since we have no lockdown, however I have heard that NZ has far too many sheep.

On topic: I am acquainted with one world-competing female body-builder. She comes across as extremely competent at the other parts of her life (good artist, good at running her own business).

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This magazine is a great one for getting me to read long articles about things I didn’t think would be interesting. It seems like they attract writers that are more honest and human about their motivations than you see in other places.

Thank you to share. If you have time, can you add links to other stories that caught your attention? I would like to read more!

OK I have some time, I hope you are able to see this:

Great piece on the reality of living in Las Vegas: https://believermag.com/the-people-of-las-vegas/

An interview with Terry Gilliam (of Monty Python) from one of the early publications: https://believermag.com/an-interview-with-terry-gilliam/

This volume came with a DVD that had a bunch of great artsy videos I used to watch a lot: https://believermag.com/product/the-believer-december-2004-j...

Hope you get some enjoyment from reading these or finding other things.

Re: The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding

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Obese, maybe, but not overweight. Overweight at 5’10” is around 170 lbs. That’s not even close to steroid territory.

That is still pretty hard to achieve with low bodyfat.

It takes a few years of consistent but not intense activity to reach, and then is quite easy to maintain.
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