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Re: Larry Flynt has died

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A nice experiment:)

Not really. Downvotes are specifically intended for comments that don't contribute to the discussion, so downvoting these wouldn't indicate disagreement or censorship.

I felt like it contributed as it demonstrated the intended thought in a self-referential way.

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Given how much porn there is on the internet I don't think that many people have an issue with the Larry Flynts of the world.

Today the thought people can't bear is no longer porn, it's anything remotely not woke. It's any opinion that even slightly diverges from their own.

So we keep hearing, ad infinitum, on every single platform open to public comment. It's amusing.

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> " I don’t understand what’s wrong with owning your platform to exercise your speech rights. " MLK and the civil rights movement didn't own their own platform. The LGBT rights movement didn't own their own platform. The women's rights movement didn't own their own platform. Would you have been okay with them being swept under the rug? It's not as if people in power didn't want to.

The bigger problem is "define platform" Don't like twitter censorship, make your own twitter. Ergo, Parler. Oh, but, that's not "your" platform, that's built on AWS's platform. So AWS can deplatform you. What's next, if Parler sets up in a datacenter with their own physical servers are people going to attack their colocation/transit/peers or their DNS provider or their domain registrar or their SSL certificate issuer…

>they don't want to see the dumb content

I don't think that's the point. They want to feel the warm satisfaction of righteous fury and enemy defeated.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

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Given how much porn there is on the internet I don't think that many people have an issue with the Larry Flynts of the world.

Today the thought people can't bear is no longer porn, it's anything remotely not woke. It's any opinion that even slightly diverges from their own.

You know there's a difference between Larry flint not being legally allowed to peddle smut, do satire etc. and people telling you they don't like your opinion and not giving you a platform, organising boycotts etc?

Also, I assume you are completely offended by fox news,OANN etc. lack of progressive voices? I agree, conservative media should open themselves up to platform more leftwing ideas in order to ensure diversity of thought. Similarly to the conservative subreddit, which is enforcing its groupthink the same way the literal communist subreddit is.

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I don’t understand what’s wrong with owning your platform to exercise your speech rights. You still have a public square. It’s as free as it’s been since Flynt was a prominent figure. (I’m happy to talk about how unfree it can be from experience, but it hasn’t gotten worse especially for the people most up in arms about platform access.) Instead of being constantly on the defense here... Why do you think you have a r…

> " I don’t understand what’s wrong with owning your platform to exercise your speech rights. " MLK and the civil rights movement didn't own their own platform. The LGBT rights movement didn't own their own platform. The women's rights movement didn't own their own platform. Would you have been okay with them being swept under the rug? It's not as if people in power didn't want to.

These entities didn't own their own platforms? Really?

Maybe they weren't handed a platform on a plate, like we are today, but that is entirely the point: I think they did have their own publications and financed their own media. That's how they became a movement in the first place. You can't get mass acceptance at scale from your target demographic without building a platform.

I think the examples you gave are of people who struck out to build their own platforms, and did so successfully. This is why we even know about them in the first place, thankfully.

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Today the thought people can't bear is no longer porn, it's anything remotely not woke. It's any opinion that even slightly diverges from their own.

So we keep hearing, ad infinitum, on every single platform open to public comment. It's amusing.

While shutting down any idea that is not 100% aligned in their own platforms. But it's okay, I believe safe spaces are important

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Given how much porn there is on the internet I don't think that many people have an issue with the Larry Flynts of the world.

Today the thought people can't bear is no longer porn, it's anything remotely not woke. It's any opinion that even slightly diverges from their own.

This is demonstrably not true - have you been on Twitter? You'll find every extreme represented there. Including accounts/messages not globally removed but marked "illegal in Germany".

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Oh, your phone app is banned? Just make your own phone, hardware and software.

Phone apps are more complex. My concern is less apple banning things and far more when apple and google operate in lockstep. there is a fundamental misunderstanding in the app store review world, it was highlighted when google banned element(??) the matrix client. will apple ban IRC clients because they can connect to bad servers with universally objectionable content? will they ban SSH clients because they can be us…

I think part of the problem is that much of our laws and intuitions are built for a time when there were competitors or they are designed for local marketplaces rather than internet scale businesses.

If my grocer is a jerk, I can go to a different grocery store. If this mechanic is always giving me dubious advice I can find a different one. Modern businesses, at internet scale, really aren't that way though. They are much more "winner take all". Maybe there are one or two winners, but when they win they really do take almost all the market share. And for most of the developed world simultaneously.

I can kind of get my own phone. Someone else in this thread mentions Purism. I could also get a rooted Android phone and install a version of Android that takes out Google. What I can't do, effectively, is make my own app, if the duopoly would prefer I not. I could put my app in a private app store or offer it to the kinds of people who use Librem phones, but the market there is too small to run a successful business. Google (via Android) and Apple are effectively both a monopoly, they sell/control almost all of the phones, and a monopsony, they control almost all of the supply of phone users.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

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I have a friend who interviewed to be CTO of Larry Flynt Publications. She said that when she went in to interview, the first thing they did was sit her in a small office filled with examples of Hustler products and publications. They said, "We'll leave you here for a few minutes to look at what we do. If you decide you're not interested in working with us, you can just leave without checking in with anyone and we'll understand."
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