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Re: Larry Flynt has died

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So? Implicit to free speech is the freedom to choose what speech to publish, and what not. Just as freedom of religion also includes the freedom to be an atheist or agnostic, and freedom of association is also freedom of disassociation.

Would you call David Duke a free speech activist then? The word free speech activist kind of breaks down when its only one sided.

Non central fallacy

Re: Larry Flynt has died

#53
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? Implicit to free speech is the freedom to choose what speech to publish, and what not. Just as freedom of religion also includes the freedom to be an atheist or agnostic, and freedom of association is also freedom of disassociation.

Would you call David Duke a free speech activist then? The word free speech activist kind of breaks down when its only one sided.

Someone can believe in free speech while choosing to censor their own platform - free speech doesn't mean every venue, platform and publisher must proliferate all speech. And as far as advocacy goes, I didn't see any mention of it on David Duke's Wikipedia page. Although nowadays every racist and anti-semite is a self-taught Constitutional scholar and friend of Voltaire. But advocacy is orthogonal to political belief, and plenty of people advocate free speech as a proxy for their own unspoken views.

Ben Franklin certainly believed in free speech, but he also wouldn't publish content he considered libelous and slanderous in his newspaper, rather he would tell people to take such stories elsewhere.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

#55

Time to watch The People vs. Larry Flint. It's been in my list to watch for a long time but never watched it.

It's a great movie, I can highly recommend. Especially seeing Falwell getting put in his place (fictionally of course).

Second that. When I watched it as a young adult back in the time when it came out, I was thinking "great, a film about porn". However, it was actually thought provoking and ended up shaping my views about censorship in general.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

#56
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Not sure where you're going with this, but I was just referring to the ambiguity in the title since there are a lot of stories on HN about SV founders who are viewed as hustlers. Quotes or moving the word would work, not a big deal obviously.

> about SV founders who are viewed as hustlers Well this is likely an age thing. And to be honest, in my 10 years reading HN, the use of "hustler" to describe a Silicon Valley founder on the front page (and second) is pretty thin on the ground. There is no ambiguity unless you're a bit deficit in the history department (which is not our problem).

I mean, to be fair, the use of “hustler” in the SV way predates the use in pornography. The latter adopted the former, not the other way around. Even still I agree that at least in the US if you have any kind of interest in speech law, you should be familiar with Hustler/Flynt.

Re: Larry Flynt has died

#57

Larry has an interesting take, especially given the current environment. "You know, a free press is not freedom for the thought you love, but rather for the thought you hate the most. People need to tolerate the Larry Flynts of the world so they can be free." -Larry Flynt

I'm afraid people now see it as an antiquated and outmoded perspective on free speech. His attitude was embraced by progressive people of the late 20th century.

That said, he too had to own his own platform in order to exercise his rights.

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