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Re: Ford Makes $29B Commitment to Electric and Self-Driving Cars

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Post by Hypx » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:36 AM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #180

Hypx wrote: post #178

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If you can electrolyze water at home, the compression step is not a hard problem anymore. This is more trolling than a serious counterargument. Alternatively, you can have hydrogen piped to the house instead of home electrolysis. You should understand that fuel cells will continue to improve in efficiency. 40% today will mean 50% tomorrow, and likely 60% at some point in the future. Losses for transport and compressi…

Yes, compression is a solved problem... one which adds additional inefficiency to an already terribly inefficient technology. And of course your reply here we is more nonsense that hydrogen is going to continue progressing at miraculous rates while the rest of the world stands still. Your quasi-religion about this is getting bad. EVs are real. They are here now and don’t need future-magic to be viable and interesting…

Like everything you said in this conversation, you drastically exaggerate the inefficiencies of fuel cells. In practice, batteries and fuel cells are already close enough that it has ceased to be a major roadblock.

Fuel cells getting more efficient and cheaper is pretty much a default assumption. The only thing that's quasi-religious are the supposedly "pro-environment" people that strongly disagree with the idea of a green technology getting better. It's frankly a cult of batteries, and more than anything they're out of touch with reality.

The problem with EVs is that fuel cells are also real, and already viable and interesting. If EV fans actually paid attention, they'd realize we're heading towards a disruption event and prepare according.

Re: Ford Makes $29B Commitment to Electric and Self-Driving Cars

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Post by ogre_codes » Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

Hypx wrote: post #181

ogre_codes wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, compression is a solved problem... one which adds additional inefficiency to an already terribly inefficient technology. And of course your reply here we is more nonsense that hydrogen is going to continue progressing at miraculous rates while the rest of the world stands still. Your quasi-religion about this is getting bad. EVs are real. They are here now and don’t need future-magic to be viable and interesting…

Like everything you said in this conversation, you drastically exaggerate the inefficiencies of fuel cells. In practice, batteries and fuel cells are already close enough that it has ceased to be a major roadblock. Fuel cells getting more efficient and cheaper is pretty much a default assumption. The only thing that's quasi-religious are the supposedly "pro-environment" people that strongly disagree with the idea of…

Your dogmatism is funny.

I didn’t have to exaggerate the inefficiencies, the company you pointed me to detailed them quite well. I just pointed out your half-solution required some additional energy input to compress the hydrogen. Unless you are assuming Hydrogen will just magically jump from the home battery to the car?

Fuel cells are real. A viable consumer fuel cell infrastructure with competitive fuel costs? Not so much.

Re: Ford Makes $29B Commitment to Electric and Self-Driving Cars

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Post by Hypx » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 2:14 AM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #182

Hypx wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like everything you said in this conversation, you drastically exaggerate the inefficiencies of fuel cells. In practice, batteries and fuel cells are already close enough that it has ceased to be a major roadblock. Fuel cells getting more efficient and cheaper is pretty much a default assumption. The only thing that's quasi-religious are the supposedly "pro-environment" people that strongly disagree with the idea of…

Your dogmatism is funny. I didn’t have to exaggerate the inefficiencies, the company you pointed me to detailed them quite well. I just pointed out your half-solution required some additional energy input to compress the hydrogen. Unless you are assuming Hydrogen will just magically jump from the home battery to the car? Fuel cells are real. A viable consumer fuel cell infrastructure with competitive fuel costs? Not…

As opposed to being a luddite?

These inefficiencies aren't a big deal, and as I said they'll continue to shrink.

People are also totally unaware of just how much progress is being made. There's a global rush to deploy as much hydrogen infrastructure as possible right now. Too bad some pro-EV people still think it's the year 2015.