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OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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What is the barrier to adding more data? Do they need funds to purchase it from satellite providers?

they need more contributors...

My experience with OSM is limited I only contributed a few times to the data in a local city in the Netherlands. I also used the xml data export only a few times for small experiments a long time ago. but from my experience is see the following:

* If many people enjoying or live somewhere they will update it very fast and accurate. Way beyond google and apple will ever have. (If a bench is placed somewhere else on a school campus then it will most likely be update within a few days, from my experience at least)

* Small structures are detectable on air and satellite images but it is really hard to know what kind of structure it is.

* Data from the dutch local governments do, from what I see on OSM, often contain good updates on new buildings. But if something old is changed. (Like a temporary school building is removed then that change is not reflected by a data update from the goverment, and it is often removed by a user after a while) So getting better data from the governments is probably a thing.

* A lot of layers are build on top of OSM. For example if a building is easy to use as a person who uses a wheelchair and if there toilet is wheelchair friendly. My ex-girlfriend was in a wheelchair so I used a app for that a lot. But she never used It. They app was very slow and had a strange UI. So changing the data of custom layer on top of OSM with better tools is hopefully going to be a thing.

* Users use it mostly because they like to contribute. Google has the power to send many people notification questions about places where they have been. OSM does not have this power.

* I would dare to say that OSM is already way more precise then google or apple maps. But users do not always care about that. The big driver for me to keep using google maps is that I often just want to go somewhere, and to go somewhere means that I want to travel by using the train or bus (after covid). In the case i'm in the city I want to know how long it takes to go somewhere by bike or by foot. In the case i'm going to a new city I often want to see how something looks and Google streetview or general images are better then a map. Google prioritizes all that information above having a more accurate map.

So no I do not think it's about getting more people involved. I think it's more about what kind of user does the platform want to have.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #25
post #5

What is the barrier to adding more data? Do they need funds to purchase it from satellite providers?

Satellite probably won't give you highly detailed models. There'd be some ML going on to detect features. Plus, your image will lack ortho-rectification. Imaging is still primarily a ground-based/very low orbit operation with photogrammetry and lidar.

knowing what kind of structure a rectangle on your satellite image is, is also a big problem. A shed or car looks roughly the same. So I would say it's more about getting better Satellite and plain images + combining that with knowledge about the area and government.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

#53
post #46

Now if only there was a sensible way to self-host OSM data. From what I've found you either have to build a dedicated server to continuously building the tiles (which takes a ton of storage and processing power) or pay for it at an insane monthly price. I wish OSM would directly make their tiles available to mirror. (Maybe they do, but I haven't found it yet)

I just looked it up and apparently, all tiles would take up 54 TB[0], and even just the important tiles are around 1TB. I now understand why just downloading them isn't an option.

[0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_disk_usage

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

#54
post #26

I've been looking to replace Google Maps with OSM on my smartphone. OSM itself is great, but I've been having a harder time finding a good app to use it with. Is anyone familiar with a good option? I mostly use a maps app for location searches and real-time GPS navigation, but offline maps and location sharing are nice-to-have features. I've been using OsmAnd and it's okay. The interface is pretty good. It supports o…

> It supports offline maps, but not location sharing.

Are you on iOS or Android?

On Android there is the OsmAnd Online GPS Tracker [0].

[0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.osmand.tel...

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #26

I've been looking to replace Google Maps with OSM on my smartphone. OSM itself is great, but I've been having a harder time finding a good app to use it with. Is anyone familiar with a good option? I mostly use a maps app for location searches and real-time GPS navigation, but offline maps and location sharing are nice-to-have features. I've been using OsmAnd and it's okay. The interface is pretty good. It supports o…

I love MapOut (iOS only). It's an outdoor-focused mapping app with easy offline downloads and really beautiful cartography.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #46

Now if only there was a sensible way to self-host OSM data. From what I've found you either have to build a dedicated server to continuously building the tiles (which takes a ton of storage and processing power) or pay for it at an insane monthly price. I wish OSM would directly make their tiles available to mirror. (Maybe they do, but I haven't found it yet)

You can download tiles directly from openstreetmap.org, although bulk requests are obviously discouraged.

Running your own tile server isn't too bad. The tiles are cached so that not much processing power is needed after a while of usage. Yes it requires storage but so would any self-hosting solution.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #4

Good that OSM is accurate in cities as well, because in hiking, skiing, or even some ferry routes, OSM simply wins because that's often the only mapping provider to even have _any_ data. Some of my first hand experiences: - French GR-20 routes. Google maps are laughably empty, while OSM has you covered with almost the same information as the hiking maps you can buy on the trail. - Anapurna - similar to GR-20 situatio…

These experiences are interesting, but I think Annapurna might not be the right benchmark to evaluate against. One of the least climbed and most deadly mountains on Earth seems rather far from OSM's core use case.

It is cool that OSM has the data, but I hope anyone attempting the summit is getting information more directly from other climbers.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #4

Good that OSM is accurate in cities as well, because in hiking, skiing, or even some ferry routes, OSM simply wins because that's often the only mapping provider to even have _any_ data. Some of my first hand experiences: - French GR-20 routes. Google maps are laughably empty, while OSM has you covered with almost the same information as the hiking maps you can buy on the trail. - Anapurna - similar to GR-20 situatio…

These experiences are interesting, but I think Annapurna might not be the right benchmark to evaluate against. One of the least climbed and most deadly mountains on Earth seems rather far from OSM's core use case. It is cool that OSM has the data, but I hope anyone attempting the summit is getting information more directly from other climbers.

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Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #26

I've been looking to replace Google Maps with OSM on my smartphone. OSM itself is great, but I've been having a harder time finding a good app to use it with. Is anyone familiar with a good option? I mostly use a maps app for location searches and real-time GPS navigation, but offline maps and location sharing are nice-to-have features. I've been using OsmAnd and it's okay. The interface is pretty good. It supports o…

I'm using an app called Maps.Me, which seems to be OSM-based. It's kind of commercialized, which I don't like, but it's usable. I'd be interested in something more FOSSy, myself.

There used to be a free fork of Maps.me called simply Maps on F-Droid here: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.github.axet.maps

Very nicely designed. It seems to be gone now however, maybe someone else knows why.

Re: OpenStreetMap proven to be a highly accurate map in top US cities

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post #4

Good that OSM is accurate in cities as well, because in hiking, skiing, or even some ferry routes, OSM simply wins because that's often the only mapping provider to even have _any_ data. Some of my first hand experiences: - French GR-20 routes. Google maps are laughably empty, while OSM has you covered with almost the same information as the hiking maps you can buy on the trail. - Anapurna - similar to GR-20 situatio…

Is there an easy way to contribute from my phone? If I could just turn the GPS on and let it track my path I’d be able to contribute all of my random hikes that might not be on OSM.

Interesting thought.

I have GPS traces for a number of Amtrak routes across America. I wonder if those would be useful.

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