The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes • Hacker News Board

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by babesh » Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

rexpop wrote: post #120

babesh wrote: post #108

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There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians. One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on pooling resources and helping family. I suspect that black culture was weakened by discrimination and Latino culture is just a generation or two behind Asian cultures in terms of home ownership (there seems to be a lot of pooling in some of those cultures). Ma…

> Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. Tech companies are hiring 100x as many H1-B Asian immigrants as they are local Latino workers.

There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions.

If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by EForEndeavour » Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 7:35 PM UTC

devmunchies wrote: post #35

babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

> I’m getting a gun. good luck. ammo sold out across country.

Make minicrossbows fashionable again.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by rexpop » Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

babesh wrote: post #131

rexpop wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. Tech companies are hiring 100x as many H1-B Asian immigrants as they are local Latino workers.

There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.

> definitely some abuse

What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry.

And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by babesh » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 4:20 AM UTC

rexpop wrote: post #133

babesh wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.

> definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful…

Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way.

There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by adultSwim » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 4:22 AM UTC

niihau_island wrote: post #121

hacknat wrote: post #64

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> The trade war with China has spread to demonization of Asians. Has it really though? I agree with pretty much everything else you said (though I’m unsure if getting a gun is warranted). I don’t think a trade war with China will spur too much in the way of anti-Asian sentiment. Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War. I’m not saying there won’t be nota…

> Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War. And just 20 years before that the Japanese internment camps happened.

Sharp contrast between concentration camps for Japanese and Japanese Americans with the treatment of Germans and Nazi sympathizers

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by mbg721 » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 4:27 AM UTC

adultSwim wrote: post #135

niihau_island wrote: post #121

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> Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War. And just 20 years before that the Japanese internment camps happened.

Sharp contrast between concentration camps for Japanese and Japanese Americans with the treatment of Germans and Nazi sympathizers

That was because the Allies expected the Germans to obey "rules of war" in the European tradition, and knew that the Japanese wouldn't. An American GI would be much happier as a POW of Germany than of Japan.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by babesh » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 5:43 AM UTC

babesh wrote: post #108

rexpop wrote: post #104

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> Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. My mistake, I took this for a confession. I'll admit I got angrier with you than I should have when you said you were "buying a gun". I took that as a threat of violence, and that is what I responded to. It's not "Asians" I should be angry with, nor even "Immigrants" since, as you say, many flee violence and p…

There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians. One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on pooling resources and helping family. I suspect that black culture was weakened by discrimination and Latino culture is just a generation or two behind Asian cultures in terms of home ownership (there seems to be a lot of pooling in some of those cultures). Ma…

If you want to understand what makes Chinese culture tick (the good side of it), then go watch this video: https://youtu.be/16Wd5jiu5wA

Then maybe you will get a better understanding why some of those kids excel in school and why their parents were able to buy those houses.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by hacknat » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

adultSwim wrote: post #135

niihau_island wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War. And just 20 years before that the Japanese internment camps happened.

Sharp contrast between concentration camps for Japanese and Japanese Americans with the treatment of Germans and Nazi sympathizers

Some German Americans were actually interned[1]. About 1/10th the amount of Japanese that were interned, but also not nothing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by hacknat » Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

echaozh wrote: post #116

hacknat wrote: post #64

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> The trade war with China has spread to demonization of Asians. Has it really though? I agree with pretty much everything else you said (though I’m unsure if getting a gun is warranted). I don’t think a trade war with China will spur too much in the way of anti-Asian sentiment. Americans were generally able to differentiate between Russians and their government during the Cold War. I’m not saying there won’t be nota…

What do you even mean if you call the US nativist? Native American Supremacist?

"Nativist" is a common historical term in the United States to mean someone who is anti-immigration and (usually) anti-immigrant, and tends to be strongly associated with white supremacy.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by rexpop » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 8:33 PM UTC

babesh wrote: post #134

rexpop wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful…

Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc..…

> anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration

No they're not. What makes you think that? I have worked in the tech industry all my adult life, and worked closely with countless H1-B holders and they have all, as a rule, been egregiously anti workers-rights, elitist, chauvinistic, misogynistic, and racist; with _few_ exceptions.

I see no reason to assume the same of a different group.

As for these "many powers", they are all nodes of the same industrial tree, and across that tree we see poor representation of Black, Latino, Dalit, and Indigenous leadership and disproportionately representation from White, Han Chinese, and Brahmin communities (although there are obviously still significant prejudicial barriers before Indian workers of all stripes). None of the sectors you mentioned are free from systemic racial prejudice.

It irritates me to no end when Model Minorities complain of racial prejudice while deliberately ignoring the systemic factors which foment racial prejudice. To me it smacks of bad faith. Especially when it ends with "I am buying a gun".

You, a member of a relatively privileged class, threatening fatal violence against the untouchable caste? That willingness to violence to defend your Whiteness is what protects Whiteness from YOU.