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John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by macinjosh »

lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

> Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques.

Have you been on Twitter or a college campus lately? There absolutely are people who believe those things to their core. I have spoken to many people who subscribe to those positions both online and off.

I am not saying we should throw the baby out with the bathwater but disregarding the extremists in the anti-racism movement is just burying your head in the sand.

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by readtfa »

lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

You obviously didn't read the article if you think it's a straw man. He quotes Ibrahim Kendi, funded by Jack Dorsey as an exemplar of the new faith. If Dorsey and Kendi aren't mainstream, just to start, I don't know what is.

I'm so tired of getting gaslit about this. My opinion on neoracism is the reason I am posting with a throwaway.

Thank you John Worter for helping to rebrand so-called "Antiracism" to what it really is. Neoracism.

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

> But we have not yet solved fully solved it, and anyone who says that we have...

McWhorter doesn't say that we have solved it. In fact, in the linked essay he outright says that he supports protesting for civil rights in general and he approves of aspects of the BLM movement.

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by perardi »

loevborg wrote: post #6

I haven't read the article yet, but McWhorter is the mastermind behind Lexicon Valley, a linguistics podcast and perhaps my favorite podcast of all times. McWhorter is both a bona-fide expert and a thoughtful, funny communicator - a rare combination. Oh, and he's also into musical theater, as you will learn very, very quickly if you listen to any Lexicon Valley episode. https://slate.com/podcasts/lexicon-valley

I would second this recommendation. A great podcast, and said podcast lends credence to McWhorter not being some fire-breathing MAGA chud. His defense and explanations of creoles and African-American Vernacular English are wonderful.

(On the musical theater bit: some people will hate McWhorter for his heterodoxy on race. I hate him for making me listen to scratchy showtunes to get to the good content.)

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by widdershins »

beaner wrote: post #8
lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

Surely statistics might help us resolve to what extent things like public torture and killing of black people by authorities is a problem (as distinct from police brutality against all people generally). What do the statistics say? Edit: This comment went from +7 to -1 in a matter of a page refresh. HN should be cognizant of brigading on threads like this. But moreso, the people doing it should also ask themselves wh…

They say that black people are killed by police in disproportionate numbers, and are incarcerated in similarly disproportionate numbers.

https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by pfortuny »

lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

The mere fact that you say "anyone ... is part of the problem" discredits your reasoning.

People are not problems: ideas might be.

If you treat people as problems, then you are not solving anyone.

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by pjkundert »

minikites wrote: post #16
JIBitator wrote: post #12

When I read Hacker News I want to see inspiring articles about tech, not these puerile, low-T debates about "racism in America". God, I'm glad I'm not American. What a pathetic country it has become really. I can smell its stench from the other side of the Atlantic.

Low T? What is that?

Beta-male posturing. Stands for "Low Testosterone".

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by cccc4alll »

lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

The lower classes fight amongst themselves, while the establishment gets richer every second.

Ask yourself why you even think about these trivial issues like who is racist?

Ask yourself why the establishment media doesn’t talk about who owns and controls the vast wealth in this country? Which has more impact and can benefit people of all races.

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by baggy_trough »

lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

The first sentence of your comment indicates that you might be among the Elect.

Re: John McWhorter: The Neoracists

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Post by lisper »

briane80 wrote: post #9
lisper wrote: post #2

It is important to note that this article was written by a black man, a contributing editor to The Atlantic. John McWhorter is not a MAGA hack. That being said... This article is the very definition of a straw man. Absolutely no one subscribes to the position it critiques. On the other hand, a fair number of people (including myself) subscribe to the position that, although things are not nearly as bad as they have b…

"black people being systematically disenfranchised, and publicly tortured and killed by authorities, often with impunity" And it's ridiculous statements like this that keep fanning the racial tensions. 1) Please show the data - if you even took time to review police killings it is social class that is the biggest factor not race. In fact as a percentage white people of lower income status are killed more often than b…

> Please show the data

Seriously? Have you not been keeping up with current events? Have you heard of George Floyd? The attempts by the Trump administration to overturn the 2020 election?

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