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Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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> Harris’s failure to grasp the content of many of the philosophical claims and arguments that he criticises > Lawrence Krauss engages with philosophical arguments for theism without understanding them properly. Most saliently, he ends up criticising a caricature version of the so-called cosmological argument about the existence of God. Oof. Perhaps back up those drive-by-shootings with some clarification. > Usually,…

> The irony. It's only ironic if you haven't read this so called "obscurantist pseudophilosophy." This sentence hardly holds a candle to the writings of someone like Deleuze or Derrida.

This is obviously very reductive, but I would argue those two helped pioneer a career arc which threatens to conscript (or recruit) many a knowledge-worker today: deconstruct the context you came up in, ride the blast wave to comfort or notoriety, and hope it keeps you afloat until you die. Ambiguity is useful if you're as interested in yourself as you are your intellectual project.

Their work makes more sense if you view it as equal parts masturbation (note that this is not a value judgment; where do new ideas come from if not the mind touching itself?) and socio-political maneuvering which occasionally self-assembles into interesting theory, like most philosophy.

This isn't to be totally cynical about their projects though. They both tolerated paradox more than most philosophers. I do like Derrida's intuition that text is an infinitely self-referential hall of mirrors. And Deleuze saw the extent of the cybernetic project fairly clearly.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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This sort of thing is always by turns boring and frustrating to read, because there are good and interesting philosophical criticisms to be made of Foucault's epistemology, but the idea that for him facticity itself is questionable isn't one of them. Foucault is never really in doubt about what constitutes, e.g., an event, occurrence, or fact - actually his entire corpus very self-consciously relies on having a commo…

Complexity and language: It is always funny how long boring sentences are found in philosophy. I think the problem is that our language is lacking in clarity for describing the subtle nuances of reasoning and logic. And sadly it is a bit confusing. Especially if one (like me), does not know all the people listed in the paragraphs. Personally I tend to shorten the sentences and focus on the presentation of the informa…

> Long boring sentences

OMG Willard Quine!

I was told he was an excellent writer. I accept that his reasoning/arguments were very lucid; I did not find his writing lucid.

> our language is lacking in clarity

I take it you mean English. English is highly allusive and ambiguous. Many words that mean completely different things are spelled the same. Many concepts are referred to by severaal different words, typically imported from different languages, and carrying different connotations. It's a wonderful language for describing things, but not so good for pinning things down.

There's a reason that the language of International Law is French (and just because you speak French, that doesn't mean you have to write like Foucault). German is a pretty matter-of-fact language, very well-suited to philosophical discourse.

If I read someone like Fred Ayer, I have the sense that it would have been easier to understand him if he wrote in German. Wittgenstein's Tractatus I have only ever read in English; but it was originally in German, and even though the Tractatus is more difficult than Ayer, I find it hugely more lucid.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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post #42

> Harris’s failure to grasp the content of many of the philosophical claims and arguments that he criticises > Lawrence Krauss engages with philosophical arguments for theism without understanding them properly. Most saliently, he ends up criticising a caricature version of the so-called cosmological argument about the existence of God. Oof. Perhaps back up those drive-by-shootings with some clarification. > Usually,…

> The irony.

That's just a sentence that isn't afraid of using long words, they're all pretty precisely, neatly used IMO. Not ironic at all. This would be a mouthful to say or understand out loud but it seems like normal writing to me.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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>Usually, the prose is infused with arcane terminology and learned jargon, creating an aura of scholarly profundity. We can call this phenomenon obscurantist pseudophilosophy.

Is this a joke? I honestly can't tell if it's a joke.

This whole article might be.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article isn't trying to "validate philosophy as a science". To some degree science relies on certain philosophical assumptions to be viable and philosophy aims to make those assumptions explicit and to allow one to understand the choices one has made in accepting them. I agree that certain philosophical positions have been encroached upon by science but that is not a process that can continue indefinitely. The re…

> The realm of enquiry that science can operate on is by neccesity smaller than that which philosophy can act upon. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you're suggesting that philosophy can talk about anything that science can. And of course, it can, in the sense that there will be uni positions for talking about just about anything in philosophy department, but I'd say that for a long time now when sc…

> Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you're suggesting that philosophy can talk about anything that science can.

Science's original name was natural philosophy, so in a sense, yes.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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> While pseudoscience is particularly prone to causal fallacies and cherry-picking of data, the most common fallacy in obscurantist pseudophilosophy is equivocation. This fallacy exploits ambiguities in certain key terms, where plausible but trivial claims lend apparent credibility to interesting but controversial ones. When challenged, the obscurantist will typically retreat to the safe house provided by the trivial interpretation of his claims, only to reoccupy the controversial ground once the critic has left the scene.

I found this to be a very helpful description of a specific kind of sloppy argumentation I have seen a lot of (usually about politics) in the last few years. It seems like it's made worse by anonymous online group arguments - one person will make one trivially true claim, another person will make a farther-reaching, incorrect claim and say it is proven by the first, a third person will defend a critique of any bad claims by just defending the first trivially true one, and bad ideas thrive in the space between all these people.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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post #96

> While pseudoscience is particularly prone to causal fallacies and cherry-picking of data, the most common fallacy in obscurantist pseudophilosophy is equivocation. This fallacy exploits ambiguities in certain key terms, where plausible but trivial claims lend apparent credibility to interesting but controversial ones. When challenged, the obscurantist will typically retreat to the safe house provided by the trivial…

FYI, there is a name for (roughly) this style of argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

useful to know, as you say it describes a lot of arguments people make online and face-to-face unfortunately.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the majority of philosophers silently agree that 80% of all publications or more in philosophy are nonsense or bullshit > These disciplines have overall lower standards in comparison to philosophy Given your earlier statement, may I ask what you consider to be the higher standards of philosophy? I ask somewhat rhetorically as a former philosophy PhD student who left because I felt the whole field seemed quite indif…

Not the OP, but well regarded philosophy journals (in my academic neck of the woods) have ridiculously low acceptance rates (2-3% often), and in general peer review is done and taken seriously.

> well regarded philosophy journals (in my academic neck of the woods) have ridiculously low acceptance rates (2-3% often)

This just shows that academic philosophy is a very exclusive club. It doesn't say anything about the standards involved.

If anything, an extremely high rejection rate tends to enforce intellectual conformity and conservatism on a field that you would think is least in need of those qualities.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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post #96

> While pseudoscience is particularly prone to causal fallacies and cherry-picking of data, the most common fallacy in obscurantist pseudophilosophy is equivocation. This fallacy exploits ambiguities in certain key terms, where plausible but trivial claims lend apparent credibility to interesting but controversial ones. When challenged, the obscurantist will typically retreat to the safe house provided by the trivial…

It's typically known as motte-and-bailey.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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It's hard to believe that there are still people writing the old "post-modernist philosophers are bad for civilization!" rant.

One thing that always surprises me about these posts are that they always fail to get the arrow of causality right. In general postmodernist philosophy is a descriptive philosophy, not a proscription one. That is Foucault and the many other philosophers this author wants to write off as pseuds aren't stating "we should live in a world where all truth is in question" but observing that we do live in this world.

The rise of "astrology, homeopathy, flat-Earthism, anti-vaxx" in recent years for me is a strong argument that these thinkers were largely correct. People aren't reading Foucault and becoming anti-vaxx, and people who think Fox news is reality aren't doing so because they read some Deleuze.

While it is of course folly to try to paint all of these thinker with a broad brush, the general themes that they describe is that in our postmodern, late capitalist society we're seeing systems of meaning and value begin to break down. And again, they largely aren't saying that they should break down or that this is a desirable direction to go. Just observing that this is happening.

If these philosophies had made any predictions it's that as global capitalism grows more manic, we'll see the continued breakdown of systems of value and meaning, were people become completely enmeshed in a world of symbols detached for any real meaning. Not only the rise in "..., anti-vaxx" but also things like "fake news", the commodification of identity in social media, the surrealism of the radical "right" in the US, all of these things are the logical conclusion of what you would expect given the descriptions these thinkers have of who society works.

The bizarreness of rants against these thinkers is somehow blaming them for the very state of society, culture and knowledge that they predicted. It's like blaming epidemiologists for a pandemic. If anything we should view postmodernist thinkers as absolutely validated.

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