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Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by jhowell »

superflit wrote: post #17
MikeUt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the US needs something like the German Pressekodex to regulate how minorities are mentioned in the news. Auto-translated from German: Directive 12.1 – Reporting on criminal offences In the reporting of criminal offences, care must be taken to ensure that the mention of the affiliation of suspects or perpetrators to ethnic, religious or other minorities does not lead to a discriminatory generalisation of indiv…

Look I do get it your good intentions. But it will just make more problems. If the reality hurt my feelings or others it is not reality that should be bent. We need to be able to say and call it: "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things…

> "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago."

If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest.

Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grandfather was born in the 1880's. Do you know your grandparents or great grandparents. If they lived in the US they saw some violent, normalized behavior on a level and duration unprecedented in human history.

Your identification of the longstanding problem and your proposed solution seems, racist, because you blame people and policies for shortcomings.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by superflit »

jhowell wrote: post #31
superflit wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look I do get it your good intentions. But it will just make more problems. If the reality hurt my feelings or others it is not reality that should be bent. We need to be able to say and call it: "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things…

> "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago." If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation…

"If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest."

Accurate or the one that fit your bias?

"Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grandfather was born in the 1880's. Do you know your grandparents or great grandparents. If they lived in the US they saw some violent, normalized behavior on a level and duration unprecedented in human history."

ahem 1853 -> 19th Century.

Yes my father was in 1945 and grandpa in 1920 and grand grandpa in 1880s.

They were brought as slaves and they lived as slaves. There are horror stories in the family.

But none of my brothers, cousins or uncles are knocking old people.

Yes we have the felon uncle but no family is perfect.

"Your identification of the longstanding problem and your proposed solution seems, racist, because you blame people and policies for shortcomings. "

I did not provide any solution but is very hard to think an old Thai guy was involved in slave trade.

Be aware we Non-Whites we don't have the need to virtue signaling we just see the reality.

We need to give more voice to people like Thomas Sowell. Do we consider a group of able to have an agency and solve its own problem or we keep them managed?

I still think they have agency.

And I am still waiting for "celebrities" cry about this bad behavior.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by antonvs »

cppjim wrote: post #7

I moved back to Texas from California because of the racism against Asians that I experienced in the Bay Area. Texas is obviously not without its racism problems, but I think it's a lot easier to Asian American here.

A friend of mine married an Asian women. They ended up moving to Westchester, outside of NYC, to escape racism where they were. This was pre-COVID though.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by jhowell »

superflit wrote: post #32
jhowell wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago." If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation…

"If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest." Accurate or the one that fit your bias? "Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grand…

> And I am still waiting for "celebrities" cry about this bad behavior.

They are. Google Colin Kaepernick.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by superflit »

jhowell wrote: post #34
superflit wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest." Accurate or the one that fit your bias? "Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grand…

> And I am still waiting for "celebrities" cry about this bad behavior. They are. Google Colin Kaepernick.

Is he kneeling to the Asians?

Sorry I missed that!

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by aaomidi »

gnicholas wrote: post #21
aaomidi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?

The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.

A single incident isn't causative evidence. A random trend without at least attempting to isolate other variables isn't causative evidence.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by gnicholas »

aaomidi wrote: post #36
gnicholas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.

A single incident isn't causative evidence. A random trend without at least attempting to isolate other variables isn't causative evidence.

In your above post, which I was replying to, you asked for "any causative evidence". I was pointing out that the OP did provide evidence that creates an undeniable causal link between the lenient policies and a subsequent crime in which someone was killed.

This doesn't prove that all, or even most, of the crime in SF is caused by the DA's policies. But it clearly establishes that some of the crime is causally linked to the policies, and this is what troubles SF residents.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by lumberingjack »

gnicholas wrote: post #21
aaomidi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?

The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.

I was in that clown Court few years back. Woman had done hard drugs had her kids in the backseat of the car sideswiped cars on a Street while OVI $150,000 worth of damage. Judge States she's a mom and can't be punished let's her go with some sort of addiction class. Says she'll have to be back in court to figure out reparations.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by lumberingjack »

MikeUt wrote: post #9
superflit wrote: post #5

This is an absurd. [1] - https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-... It is not about covid. Sometimes people Do belong in prison, not all people can live free.

Perhaps the US needs something like the German Pressekodex to regulate how minorities are mentioned in the news. Auto-translated from German: Directive 12.1 – Reporting on criminal offences In the reporting of criminal offences, care must be taken to ensure that the mention of the affiliation of suspects or perpetrators to ethnic, religious or other minorities does not lead to a discriminatory generalisation of indiv…

Have you visited Germany lately it's extremely dangerous for ethnic and minority reasons complete crap hole compared to what it was before they took down that damn wall I'm telling you if they left that wall up the whole country would have been better

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by lumberingjack »

superflit wrote: post #32
jhowell wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago." If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation…

"If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest." Accurate or the one that fit your bias? "Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grand…

My family immigrated here from Mexico we literally had nothing and have risen to some of the highest peaks of usa society. It took hard work which is the complete opposite of what social justice warriors want. white people in this country are about the laziest I've ever seen out of anywhere I've ever been. The most privileged people I have ever seen armchair keyboard social justice warriors. They never traveled anywhere besides a secure resort by themselves, they never done anything by themselves, and don't know how the whole world works.

What's really laughable about this country is the whites have the power to help other minority groups like The blacks and erase the ghettos but the whites are too ignorant and arrogant to even accept that there's a problem too afraid to even talk about it because "it's racist"

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