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Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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> Often, it’s due to simple misunderstandings (such as confusing truth with belief or knowledge), but sometimes it’s due rather to wilful obscurity Sorry, but the pseudophilosopher here is the author of the article. He can't disambiguate between truth as some property of the universe/time-space/actual historical occurence, and truth as it matters to us, and thinks that just because Foucault doesn't spell the distinct…

> It's the century plus old distinction between analytical and continental philosophy The article's claim is not that this distinction doesn't exist or that it is not a useful distinction, but that "pseudophilosphers" tend to equivocate between "truth as some property of the universe" and "truth as it matters to us". That seems to me to be an interesting position that is worth considering. (btw. the claim that "The d…

This is a rhetorical trick that people have been using for a long time.

The Thinker takes a bold and shocking stand, which is compressed, by the rules of memetic natural selection, into the boldest and shocking-est possible framing: "People don't actually care about their children." Or "Truth doesn't exist." Or "We should kill poor people to increase the average level of happiness."

People are instantly nerdsniped by the idea. The implications! Could it be true? The curious reader finds there is always a deep and sophisticated literature backing up the crazy-sounding claim. Only after investing a huge amount of energy can the scholar even hope to unpack the fact of the matter, which is: the Thinker never really meant that claim, not the way it's stated, not using those words the way most people mean them. It always, always, always turns out that the Thinker was either being intentionally provocative with the big-bold-claim, or else using language in an idiosyncratic jargon-ified way.

(Sometimes there is no single Thinker, and instead the big-bold-claim is a meme that bubbles up organically out of a whole school of thought, and is memetically selected for promulgation on the basis of its outrageousness.)

If Foucalt had just written: "The agreed-upon 'truth' of the social, subjective stuff that people tend to loudly disagree about is often decided by who is in power, and who is advantaged by the 'truth' coming out one way or another," well, that's not a body of thought, that's a low-performing tweet. He needs to make it seem big, important, sweeping, general, touching upon every facet of human endeavor. This is not necessarily to say that Foucalt is some kind of intellectual grifter; this is simply the pressure that the universe exerts on all thinkers. To be more general, more important. But, as the Thinker is forced to make their big idea more general and more important, it loses the simple and obviously true (and fundamentally anodyne) tweet-length core.

tl;dr: Memetics ruins everything.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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> Often, it’s due to simple misunderstandings (such as confusing truth with belief or knowledge), but sometimes it’s due rather to wilful obscurity Sorry, but the pseudophilosopher here is the author of the article. He can't disambiguate between truth as some property of the universe/time-space/actual historical occurence, and truth as it matters to us, and thinks that just because Foucault doesn't spell the distinct…

I agree that this article is rehashing the age-old continental vs. analytical debate, I disagree that because the debate is old, it is thus worthless.

I see many defending the "perfectly clear" meaning of continental philosophers, even if they don't obviously build up a clear argument from assumptions like a "10 year old" analytic philosopher might do.

Many, in my view, are forgetting just quite how obscurant many of these philosophers are. I am a little older than 10 years old now, but this passage (from Judith Butler), for instance, is close-to-incomprehensible to me

> The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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> Harris’s failure to grasp the content of many of the philosophical claims and arguments that he criticises > Lawrence Krauss engages with philosophical arguments for theism without understanding them properly. Most saliently, he ends up criticising a caricature version of the so-called cosmological argument about the existence of God. Oof. Perhaps back up those drive-by-shootings with some clarification. > Usually,…

I mean harris is pretty bad with this. I agree that the article has that tone that most of us normies find distasteful, but it's not really wrong in my experience. If anything, in not directly calling Harris' straying from his area of expertise charlatanism, the author is being generous.

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I wonder if this an attempt to validate philosophy as a science in itself now that other sciences have invalidated many philosophical positions as being valid. My primary feeling about most philosophy is that it is a historical science instead of a systematic science, where the ideas of a certain philosopher are placed in the context of history. It also seems to me that the philosophers are more important than their…

My experience is exactly the opposite. My undergraduate philosophy degree had exactly one history class. Names of philosophers were important mostly to label ideas. I'm not sure what you're talking about with respect to philosophical positions invalidated by science. I can't think of any myself.

The ancient Greek philosophers contain some real howlers like Aristotlean impetus and belief that women must have fewer teeth than men because of a smaller skull and an assumption that human teeth are identical in size and spacing. They refused to check their ideas to reality under a self indulgent concept of "purity of thought". I blame aristocratic influnce and the disdain for the practical.

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Reality is subjective and so should philosophy be. Nobody knows what is going on here and anyone that thinks they do is lying. What is right for me may not be right for you. Learn what is right for you through trial and error. Failure is the best teacher to find out something will not work. Nobody should follow anyone else. You should be the leader of your own life as it is your experience. The goal is not self indulgent thinking, the goal is to stop thinking. To go with the flow. To trust in yourself and believe that you can do what you set your mind to. To remove the fear of I cant and the fear of failure. It is as simple as that, no philosopher or book can tell you that. Only experience can. You can read all the books in the world, but you do not gain any true understanding until you put words into action and actually experience it.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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This sort of thing is always by turns boring and frustrating to read, because there are good and interesting philosophical criticisms to be made of Foucault's epistemology, but the idea that for him facticity itself is questionable isn't one of them. Foucault is never really in doubt about what constitutes, e.g., an event, occurrence, or fact - actually his entire corpus very self-consciously relies on having a commo…

I agree with you. I also thought it was odd that this piece's author specifically called out "the humanities and social sciences" as the main purveyors of "pseudophilosophy" before directing all his fire at Foucault, a philosopher. And then he concludes that the solution to pseudophilosophy is a philosophical education but I'm not sure who in their right minds would argue that Foucault didn't have one of those? Or Sartre, for that matter, who he also called out as a pseudophilosopher.

It starts to make one wonder if his idea of "pseudophilosophy" is really just a new coat of paint over some already well-worn critiques of postmodernism.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There would be little problem if his methods were confined to examining questions such as the truth of phrenology, the ideological presumptions that made it an appealing set of beliefs, and power relations that motivated them. Unfortunately, his followers (and Foucault himself) cast a far wider net than that, to the point at which power-knowledge becomes the predominant or even the only acceptable analytical framewor…

The Focaultian mindset makes you twitchy, paranoid, and hostile. We think of it as "of the Left", but there's also nothing to stop "the Right" from buying the idea that everything is just about Power. Then if you keep at that line of thought pretty soon you turn into a Nazi. Or at the very least, you will hear all claims from "the Left" about "care" or "empathy" with knowing cynicism. And my perception is that these…

> but there's also nothing to stop "the Right" from buying the idea that everything is just about Power.

I think this ship sailed long long ago.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There would be little problem if his methods were confined to examining questions such as the truth of phrenology, the ideological presumptions that made it an appealing set of beliefs, and power relations that motivated them. Unfortunately, his followers (and Foucault himself) cast a far wider net than that, to the point at which power-knowledge becomes the predominant or even the only acceptable analytical framewor…

The Focaultian mindset makes you twitchy, paranoid, and hostile. We think of it as "of the Left", but there's also nothing to stop "the Right" from buying the idea that everything is just about Power. Then if you keep at that line of thought pretty soon you turn into a Nazi. Or at the very least, you will hear all claims from "the Left" about "care" or "empathy" with knowing cynicism. And my perception is that these…

You blame this "de-domestication", this guardedness, on the spread of Foucault-esque ideas about the nature of truth.

My counter-hypothesis - maybe this is what happens when the heights of power and wealth keep getting higher and higher. We are transforming more and more into a dog-eat-dog society. This is how civilizations have fallen repeatedly over the past and we are increasingly turning to a new gilded age.

Re: Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thinking

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This sort of thing is always by turns boring and frustrating to read, because there are good and interesting philosophical criticisms to be made of Foucault's epistemology, but the idea that for him facticity itself is questionable isn't one of them. Foucault is never really in doubt about what constitutes, e.g., an event, occurrence, or fact - actually his entire corpus very self-consciously relies on having a commo…

I agree with you. I also thought it was odd that this piece's author specifically called out "the humanities and social sciences" as the main purveyors of "pseudophilosophy" before directing all his fire at Foucault, a philosopher. And then he concludes that the solution to pseudophilosophy is a philosophical education but I'm not sure who in their right minds would argue that Foucault didn't have one of those? Or Sa…

Philosophy is in the humanities.

> It starts to make one wonder if his idea of "pseudophilosophy" is really just a new coat of paint over some already well-worn critiques of postmodernism.

I think pretty clearly yes, along with the preceding continental philosophy and also Sam Harris (?).

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