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Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by gnicholas »

aaomidi wrote: post #12
andyxor wrote: post #2

The DA, Chesa Boudin, put arrested criminals back on the streets with ultra-lenient policy, and this is the result https://abc7news.com/car-crash-san-francisco-lake-merced-sta... https://www.ktvu.com/news/family-of-84-year-old-killed-in-sf... https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-grou... https://www.change.org/p/sfda-chesa-boudin-refused-to-resign... https://www.recallchesa.org/

Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?

The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by gnicholas »

cppjim wrote: post #7

I moved back to Texas from California because of the racism against Asians that I experienced in the Bay Area. Texas is obviously not without its racism problems, but I think it's a lot easier to Asian American here.

Can I ask where you lived in the Bay Area, and what types of racism you experienced or witnessed? Was it in work environments or just out on the street?

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by alephnan »

superflit wrote: post #19
alephnan wrote: post #8

I've found the model-minority myth to be toxic in so many ways. Here's one thing I can attest to personally: we're not all East Asians. I grew up in section-8 housing, then moved next to a meth house raided by the FBI, attended vocational schools in the inner city where I had friends killed and imprisoned, personally had a gun pointed at me, twice, slept on a sofa my entire childhood, in a dysfunctional bankrupt abus…

So you went from high diverse place to one of most NON diverse place and you are happy? [1] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_et...

This response is the kind of western politically correct arrogance that I left the states for.

People don't get violently attacked here by virtue of being Asian, so yes, I feel safer. Happiness wise, there is a multitude of reasons New York City is an inferior megacity in terms of convenience and quality of life. I've been to 80% of the restaurants in Manhattan and a hundred michelin star restaurants, I personally don't think the food in New York City is that great, especially with ethnic food being gentrified out.

As for diversity, I attended a public school with 25% blacks, 20% latinx, 25% Asians, and whites were less than 30%, so thanks for the snarkiness. There is not fundamentally any problem with this diversity.

The diversity in NYC however is a matter of tolerance, not in the good sense of the word. During normal times this masked because everyone is so busy, but Asian communities still experience segregation.

I lived in 8 different neighborhoods in NYC including Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan. Have you lived in NYC or a megacity in Asia or are you armchair philosophizing what it's like to actually live in a place?

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

alephnan wrote: post #23
superflit wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you went from high diverse place to one of most NON diverse place and you are happy? [1] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_et...

This response is the kind of western politically correct arrogance that I left the states for. People don't get violently attacked here by virtue of being Asian, so yes, I feel safer. Happiness wise, there is a multitude of reasons New York City is an inferior megacity in terms of convenience and quality of life. I've been to 80% of the restaurants in Manhattan and a hundred michelin star restaurants, I personally do…

> As for diversity, I attended a public school with 25% blacks, 20% latinx, 25% Asians, and whites were less than 30%, so thanks for the snarkiness. There is not fundamentally any problem with this diversity.

This is the great lie gated-community white progressives repeat. There's "no problem with diversity"..

Diversity is noble but it's not problem free. It is difficult. Daily interactions with different people, classes, cultures creates friction and paper cuts that wouldn't be there otherwise. The more diverse, especially with large population sizes, the harder it is.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by alephnan »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #24
alephnan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This response is the kind of western politically correct arrogance that I left the states for. People don't get violently attacked here by virtue of being Asian, so yes, I feel safer. Happiness wise, there is a multitude of reasons New York City is an inferior megacity in terms of convenience and quality of life. I've been to 80% of the restaurants in Manhattan and a hundred michelin star restaurants, I personally do…

> As for diversity, I attended a public school with 25% blacks, 20% latinx, 25% Asians, and whites were less than 30%, so thanks for the snarkiness. There is not fundamentally any problem with this diversity. This is the great lie gated-community white progressives repeat. There's "no problem with diversity".. Diversity is noble but it's not problem free. It is difficult. Daily interactions with different people, cla…

I didn’t realize the OP was being ironic instead of snarky.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by HonestOp001 »

What a fun article of where we are.

No names are provided in the article of perpetrators, so those in the know know the race that shall not be named, example is the rail line actively saying they will do this.

An existing issue already exists between the race that shall not be named and Asian-Americans, see Jesse Jackson in New York or LA riots. Then me having to explain to Asian American colleague why their other Asian American colleagues will not walk in certain neighborhoods for fear of being attacked by race that shall not be named.

Then the article pins this new found increase in attacks (which have been a problem for this entire time, but now and only now because it fits the narrative) on a term used to pin this on the Chinese who actively sought to suppress the news of its spread. The Chinese government is actively involved with media blitzes to try and move the blame away from their ineptitude.

So, an existing problem is pinned to an imaginary issue to obfuscate a country screwing up. How do the CNN reporters look themselves in the mirror you may ask, because they repeat the journalist mantra: for the greater good, no matter the lies.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by superflit »

alephnan wrote: post #26
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As for diversity, I attended a public school with 25% blacks, 20% latinx, 25% Asians, and whites were less than 30%, so thanks for the snarkiness. There is not fundamentally any problem with this diversity. This is the great lie gated-community white progressives repeat. There's "no problem with diversity".. Diversity is noble but it's not problem free. It is difficult. Daily interactions with different people, cla…

I didn’t realize the OP was being ironic instead of snarky.

:) it is ok.

We do agree and understand the problem.

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by jhowell »

gnicholas wrote: post #21
aaomidi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?

The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.

Lenient policies around supporting people or incarcerating people?

Re: Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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Post by happytoexplain »

superflit wrote: post #17
MikeUt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the US needs something like the German Pressekodex to regulate how minorities are mentioned in the news. Auto-translated from German: Directive 12.1 – Reporting on criminal offences In the reporting of criminal offences, care must be taken to ensure that the mention of the affiliation of suspects or perpetrators to ethnic, religious or other minorities does not lead to a discriminatory generalisation of indiv…

Look I do get it your good intentions. But it will just make more problems. If the reality hurt my feelings or others it is not reality that should be bent. We need to be able to say and call it: "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things…

You said you understand the intention, but then said that the intention is to avoid hurting feelings. You let reason slide for a moment to get an antagonistic jab in there.
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