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Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#21

This does remind me that I really dislike when authors insert "sic" inside quotes.

But how else are you supposed to denote that something is in the original text and not a transcription mistake?

The problem is that "sic" has two uses. The standard use is, as you say, to indicate that the text is as it appeared originally, and you didn't add a typo. The common Internet use is to indicate "This is wrong. Har har you're stupid." Many people don't realize the first usage exists.

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#22
post #3

Hard disagree, the shift in perspective from third-person to the first-person quote is jarring. You use the brackets to mold the quote into the grammatical context of the sentence that surrounds. Extra emphasis on the context of the grammar , as changing the overall context alters its message. You can also use those brackets to cut out unnecessary/irrelevant/extraneous words. A necessity, sometimes, and one that is e…

what's the point of quoting if you are paraphrasing?

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#23
I think the sin is removing words from the quotation. Adding editorial clarifications is sometimes unnecessary and often annoying, but can be read around. However substituting or outright omitting words without noting the removal is indeed "wrong" and "rude".

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#24
post #2

This does not address the primary way I (ab?)use these brackets: to fill in the subject explicitly when the original author refers to it only implicitly. So quoting the last clause in the above paragraph, I might write > when the author refers to [the subject] only implicitly. The obvious alternative is to quote a longer passage. Maybe this is one of those cases where conciseness fights with authenticity. Another sol…

The Chicago Manual of Style is fine with that. "Insertions may be made in quoted material to clarify an ambiguity, to provide a missing word or letters, or to give the original foreign word or phrase where an English translation does not convey the exact sense." This is indicated with brackets.

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how else are you supposed to denote that something is in the original text and not a transcription mistake?

The problem is that "sic" has two uses. The standard use is, as you say, to indicate that the text is as it appeared originally, and you didn't add a typo. The common Internet use is to indicate "This is wrong. Har har you're stupid." Many people don't realize the first usage exists.

I've never seen the second usage. Although, shouldn't they be indistinguishable?

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#26
post #3

Hard disagree, the shift in perspective from third-person to the first-person quote is jarring. You use the brackets to mold the quote into the grammatical context of the sentence that surrounds. Extra emphasis on the context of the grammar , as changing the overall context alters its message. You can also use those brackets to cut out unnecessary/irrelevant/extraneous words. A necessity, sometimes, and one that is e…

> Hey now, [he is] one of these people, and [he] most definitely exists!

Who? How do you know?

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#27
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Several reasons. Etiquette. Less reason mangle the words of others (arbitrarily cutting something out of larger context can also easily mangle). Let's your reader see how you understood the communication, not just that you found it somewhere and copy-pasted it in.

Etiquette is circular logic.

A larger quote would still be arbitrarily cut out of a larger context. If you're extending past the good part purely to get a subject I'd even say it ends up more arbitrary.

Unless you're taking a test, you don't need to prove you understood it, and if your reader lacks confidence in your understanding then paraphrasing makes the problem worse! Instead of merely worrying you missed important context, now they have to worry you completely altered the meaning.

Paraphrasing can mangle words so easily. I'm baffled why you would imply otherwise.

And your edit just makes you look stupid.

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

#29
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Several reasons. Etiquette. Less reason mangle the words of others (arbitrarily cutting something out of larger context can also easily mangle). Let's your reader see how you understood the communication, not just that you found it somewhere and copy-pasted it in.

> Etiquette

Disagree; adding context or identifying of an unusual pattern as part of the quote is common practice

> Less reason...

> Let’s [sic] your reader see...

These two points are at odds with each other - and how would my reader understand the contrast between the source and my interpretation without knowing the source?

Re: Stop defacing quotes with brackets

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post #6

> I have been told that this bracketing fetish may come from academia, where formal rules of writing are a kind of hazing and where sounding faintly like a space alien could be mistaken for rigor. The academics are also wrong to do it. Presumably they believe it’s OK to vivisect quotations because the reader can always go to their footnotes and look up the original text to see what it actually says. I disagree. The b…

That’s different. The article is about brackets containing substitute words.
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