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The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by briandear »

nitrogen wrote: post #44
babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I’m getting a gun. If violent people are anything like wild animals, pepper spray is safer and more effective. You actually have a good chance of hitting your attacker with a stream pepper spray, unlike with a tiny bullet. Your attacker (in the case of, say, a moose) is more likely to run away when hit with pepper than with a bullet. And you are less likely to have collateral damage.

Have you ever been involved with pepper spray? It’s generally terrible for self defense. An attacker isn’t instantly incapacitated — they are still deadly until the full effects of the spray kick in. In the Army, I was trained to keep operating even amongst tear gas. It is horrible, but a violent assailant, especially multiple violent assailants aren’t going to immediately drop to the ground or run away. Being trained and proficient with a firearm is a far better strategy than hoping the attacker happens to be downwind and hoping they aren’t on meth or other drugs that make them seemingly impervious to pepper spray.

Here is one example of why pepper spray is not ideal: https://mynbc15.com/news/local/mobile-woman-shot-after-peppe...

Had the lady shot the suspect, it’s unlikely that she would have been hurt.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by tmotwu »

solipsism wrote: post #90
ahelwer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What they are doing is establishing a shared belief among Americans that Chinese people are deserving of punishment (implied: via military means). For evidence I refer you to the book Manufacturing Consent by well-known computer scientist & political activist Noam Chomsky, who details how the US media again and again has used a strategy of selective reporting to categorize the world's people as deserving or undeservi…

The media are colluding to purposefully shift the mindset of American citizens toward believing that Chinese people deserve punishment? This has the ring of a full-on conspiracy theory. Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the media could effectively collude on anything of that nature. Certainly not to the point of effectively gradually shifting American sentiment. Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen these…

Huh, anything skeptical of American media is borderline conspiracy these days.

After Weiss, Greenwald exposes, you still don't believe they're capable of colluding to stir division or drive certain narratives?

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by rexpop »

babesh wrote: post #100
rexpop wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in solidarity with those Asian peoples who have been left behind by Tech Capital's H1-B cherry-picking, but I have absolutely no sympathy for Model Minority Settler Colonists Scabs who move into a neighborhood and threaten violence. Do us a favor and turn that gun on yourself, invader. You're displacing families in marginalized neighborhoods, you said it yourself. The reasons a family would immigrate here are th…

You have got your facts all wrong. I never bought into those gentrifying neighborhoods. I don’t even live in those neighborhoods. I grew up in a poor historically Chinese neighborhood. Many of the attacks are occurring historically Asian neighborhoods like that (Oakland and SF Chinatowns). What kind of gentrification are you talking about? Tech people buy into different neighborhoods from the poorer Asian immigrants.…

> Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods.

My mistake, I took this for a confession. I'll admit I got angrier with you than I should have when you said you were "buying a gun". I took that as a threat of violence, and that is what I responded to.

It's not "Asians" I should be angry with, nor even "Immigrants" since, as you say, many flee violence and persecution to come here. My ancestors certainly did. It would be hypocritical of me to now want to draw up the ladder, and for that reason I fully support illegal immigration, and asylum-seeking immigration.

That being said, even being permitted to "scrounge up money for a down payment" when Black and Latino families have been kept unable to is unconscionable, in my thinking.

I know several H1-B holding Asian immigrants who are, in this decade, buying up real-estate that Black & Latino locals will never be able to afford. I have friends and coworkers on both sides of this arrangement, and it's really sickening to see. Can't you understand that?

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by rexpop »

stickyricky wrote: post #98
rexpop wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in solidarity with those Asian peoples who have been left behind by Tech Capital's H1-B cherry-picking, but I have absolutely no sympathy for Model Minority Settler Colonists Scabs who move into a neighborhood and threaten violence. Do us a favor and turn that gun on yourself, invader. You're displacing families in marginalized neighborhoods, you said it yourself. The reasons a family would immigrate here are th…

Kinda crazy there are people on this board that agree with this. I'm watching your comment grayout and un-grayout. Sad...

Thank you for your ableist dismissal.

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Post by babesh »

rexpop wrote: post #104
babesh wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have got your facts all wrong. I never bought into those gentrifying neighborhoods. I don’t even live in those neighborhoods. I grew up in a poor historically Chinese neighborhood. Many of the attacks are occurring historically Asian neighborhoods like that (Oakland and SF Chinatowns). What kind of gentrification are you talking about? Tech people buy into different neighborhoods from the poorer Asian immigrants.…

> Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. My mistake, I took this for a confession. I'll admit I got angrier with you than I should have when you said you were "buying a gun". I took that as a threat of violence, and that is what I responded to. It's not "Asians" I should be angry with, nor even "Immigrants" since, as you say, many flee violence and p…

It isn’t just Asian immigrants buying up real estate. It seems to be a widespread practice in tech irrespective of race.

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Post by flukus »

kibwen wrote: post #46
gautamcgoel wrote: post #8

Indian-American here. One thing I often find irritating about the phrase "Asian-American" is that it's usually used to refer to people with East Asian heritage (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc). Somehow people with South Asian heritage, like myself, often aren't included in that category, to the point that my girlfriend was surprised to hear that Indian-Americans count as Asian-American.

I think this is a symptom of the continent of Asia being so extremely large and diverse. To wit, every definition of Asia also includes the Arabian Peninsula, but most people would probably not intuitively classify Arab Americans as Asian Americans. The appropriation of "Asian American" to almost universally mean "East Asian Americans" is probably due to the lack of a specific, pre-existing demonym to describe people…

> To wit, every definition of Asia also includes the Arabian Peninsula

Specifically the first definition, it refers to Anatolia or the Persian empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continent_name_etymolo...) and the definition expanded from there as more and more land was being discovered. Then our terrible and arbitrary definitions of a continent got thrown into the mix.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by babesh »

rexpop wrote: post #104
babesh wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have got your facts all wrong. I never bought into those gentrifying neighborhoods. I don’t even live in those neighborhoods. I grew up in a poor historically Chinese neighborhood. Many of the attacks are occurring historically Asian neighborhoods like that (Oakland and SF Chinatowns). What kind of gentrification are you talking about? Tech people buy into different neighborhoods from the poorer Asian immigrants.…

> Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. My mistake, I took this for a confession. I'll admit I got angrier with you than I should have when you said you were "buying a gun". I took that as a threat of violence, and that is what I responded to. It's not "Asians" I should be angry with, nor even "Immigrants" since, as you say, many flee violence and p…

There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians.

One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on pooling resources and helping family. I suspect that black culture was weakened by discrimination and Latino culture is just a generation or two behind Asian cultures in terms of home ownership (there seems to be a lot of pooling in some of those cultures).

Many of the poor neighborhoods that Asians moved to are now Latino neighborhoods. Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. The same thing happened to the previous generation of Asian kids.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by throwaway_kufu »

stuart78 wrote: post #52

While not disputing the core point about escalating violence against Asian Americans, this article seems to view any crime or violence as racially motivated. There is a robbery in there, for example, which suggest an alternate motivation. Would be useful to be more clear on what the author considers a hate crime vs crime whose victim is Asian.

The article didn’t add any specific facts to suggest any of these crimes would be charged as “hate crimes” which is generally just an additional penalty to another crime and usually requires at least an acknowledgement of the protected class during the commission of the underlying crime suggesting the victims status as a member of the protected class was material to the criminal act.

The specific victims mentioned were all elderly which is also disturbing and seems to be a growing trend in itself. Since the BLM protests/riots there have been a lot of videos surfacing where a senior citizen is walking solo and gets senselessly sucker-punched and/or knocked out without warning by a lone wolf. I suppose when the elderly victim is Asian, it’s easy to conclude such an assault must be a hate crime, because they are so brutal and otherwise senseless.

I don’t like the idea of mass surveillance but these seem like the ideal types of cases to get a warrant to pinpoint the suspect’s phone to ID them.

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Post by solipsism »

ahelwer wrote: post #97
solipsism wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media are colluding to purposefully shift the mindset of American citizens toward believing that Chinese people deserve punishment? This has the ring of a full-on conspiracy theory. Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the media could effectively collude on anything of that nature. Certainly not to the point of effectively gradually shifting American sentiment. Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen these…

Chomsky's model does not rely on a conspiracy for the media to function the way it does. It simply follows from incentives. Cribbing from the wikipedia article, we have: The propaganda model for the manufacture of public consent describes five editorially distorting filters, which are applied to the reporting of news in mass communications media. These five filters of editorial bias are: (1) Size, ownership, and prof…

You.... forgot to talk about China.

In fact, laughably, you offered an argument that suggests anticommunism has been replaced.

Speaking of Chomsky, I believe he was very critical of Israel was he not? and I believe he was called an anti-semite for it, was he not?

I suppose you can be anti-Israel, but not be an anti-semite, but you can't be anti-CCP without being anti-asian?

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