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The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by refurb »

babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

Pretty reasonable take overall.

People shouldn’t forget about the African-American and Korean animosity during the LA riots. This stuff goes way back.

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Post by briandear »

> Many blame the Trump administration for inciting this violence; Trump and numerous other members of his White House staff embraced racist and xenophobic anti-Asian rhetoric language early on in the pandemic, repeatedly referring to COVID-19 as the “China virus” and the “Wuhan virus.”

First of all, geographic names for diseases is a very common pattern. There is no such outrage over Zika, Ebola, or West Nile, or even German Measles. The contrived name COVID was created out of deference to the Chinese Communist Party by the head of the WHO, who, as a former Minister in Ethiopia was the beneficiary of several billion dollars in Chinese investment. Note how he ignored Taiwan’s data and warnings in December 2019 and furthered CCP propaganda early in the pandemic despite independent evidence that contradicted the CCP statements. To suggest the WHO is immune from deep corruption among its top official is to ignore just how corrupt Ethiopia is and the vast influence of China over large swaths of Africa.

And secondly, the majority of these hate crime attacks are in deeply Democrat cities. I doubt Oakland feature many Trump acolytes nor does San Francisco or New York. There is a significant (mostly Vietnamese) population in East Texas and Louisiana (the heart of “redneck Trump country,” yet hate crimes against Asians are rare if they happen at all. So blaming Trump is just conveniently avoiding the racism of so-called liberals. The Jesse Smollett “attack” was in the middle of Chicago at night, yet initially it was blamed on Trump supporters. Is there a single Trump supporter in all of Chicago? How many are in downtown Oakland? Rhetorical question, but the point is that in deeply red areas, how many Asian hate crimes have occurred relative to those in deep blue areas?

Hate crimes against anyone is never over ok. Actually any crime is never ok. But blaming Trump is just lazy. Redneck bubbas aren’t the ones doing these crimes in general. People don’t want to confront the strong racism exhibited by minorities against other minorities. It’s always caused by white Trump supporters apparently.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by [deleted] »

pkkim wrote: post #55
f430 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with LA riots. We all know who were behind it but we can't even say it because of intimidation and political "incorrectness". Roof Koreans remember exactly who they were shooting at. edit: I guess you win the bet. You were flagged within 12 minutes. For the awful amount of whining HN does when it comes to big tech censorship, it's guilty of the very same thing. The irony. I predict my comments will soon be flagg…

Parent probably would not have been flagged if they had documented their sweeping claim with evidence, but they didn't. It added little to the discussion.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

prvc wrote: post #29

>Many blame.... Who are these "many", apart from the post author (the Royal "We", maybe), and why are these opinions supposedly worth noting in a factual news article? One can hope that one day that journalistic norms will preclude such weasel-word editorializations.

I‘m pretty sure it would be quite easy to find a reasonable number of people to agree with the statement to qualify as „many“.

Assuming we agree that the pandemic is motivating this violence, it also doesn’t seem particularly controversial that a president going out of his way to highlight the geographic origin of the virus may be a contributing factor.

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Post by Cyclone_ »

dcolkitt wrote: post #6

> Many blame the Trump administration for inciting this violence; Trump and numerous other members of his White House staff embraced racist and xenophobic anti-Asian rhetoric... > NYPD date showed that there has been a 1,900 percent increase anti-Asian hate crimes in New York City in the past year... An 84-year-old Thai American man, Vicha Ratanapakdee, was killed in an unprovoked attack in San Francisco; a 64-year-o…

People are downvoting this because the facts make them uncomfortable. Funny how when you posts stats it makes them angry.

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Post by iamalone »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #23
gautamcgoel wrote: post #8

Indian-American here. One thing I often find irritating about the phrase "Asian-American" is that it's usually used to refer to people with East Asian heritage (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc). Somehow people with South Asian heritage, like myself, often aren't included in that category, to the point that my girlfriend was surprised to hear that Indian-Americans count as Asian-American.

Russians are also Asian.

Yes, Some are, given that Russia "stretches over a vast expanse of Europe and Northern Asia" [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Russia

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Post by briandear »

slg wrote: post #63
prvc wrote: post #29

>Many blame.... Who are these "many", apart from the post author (the Royal "We", maybe), and why are these opinions supposedly worth noting in a factual news article? One can hope that one day that journalistic norms will preclude such weasel-word editorializations.

This isn't attempting to be a "factual news article" and therefore isn't betraying any "journalistic norms". I think a big part of this country's lack of faith in journalism is due to a basic ignorance of the different forms of journalism and how they each have different norms.

You can blame journalists for that. When hard news stories get littered with opinion and bias, the line between opinion and news gets so blurred as to become non-existent.

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Post by hpoe »

nitrogen wrote: post #44
babesh wrote: post #32

There is semi-hidden animosity between the black and some Asian communities. Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. Asian kids do disproportionately well in urban schools. Lowell High School is moving from a scoring based system to a lottery. Asian parents see this as unfair while black parents see the previous system as unfair. Chinese are tradition…

I’m getting a gun. If violent people are anything like wild animals, pepper spray is safer and more effective. You actually have a good chance of hitting your attacker with a stream pepper spray, unlike with a tiny bullet. Your attacker (in the case of, say, a moose) is more likely to run away when hit with pepper than with a bullet. And you are less likely to have collateral damage.

Just throwing out there violent people are not like wild amnimals, and in 94% of cases simply drawing a firearm is enough to cause an attacker to flee.

Re: The US Is Seeing a Spike in Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Post by solipsism »

ahelwer wrote: post #68
solipsism wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese people overwhelmingly support the actions of their government. How is that relevant? A person who disagrees with me isn't my enemy. Beyond that, the idea that the media can wash their hands of this because people should know they're talking about the Chinese government, not Chinese people, is just incredibly generous to a class of people who absolutely know what they are doing. I can't figure out what you…

What they are doing is establishing a shared belief among Americans that Chinese people are deserving of punishment (implied: via military means). For evidence I refer you to the book Manufacturing Consent by well-known computer scientist & political activist Noam Chomsky, who details how the US media again and again has used a strategy of selective reporting to categorize the world's people as deserving or undeservi…

The media are colluding to purposefully shift the mindset of American citizens toward believing that Chinese people deserve punishment?

This has the ring of a full-on conspiracy theory. Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the media could effectively collude on anything of that nature. Certainly not to the point of effectively gradually shifting American sentiment.

Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen these days. No one has time to read every book by every conspiracy theorist.

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