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Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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About a year and half ago I was applying for a software engineering internship at Goldman Sachs and they made me take a Pymetrics test. One of the tasks was to press the spacebar as many times as possible in 30 seconds. I didn't do the task and withdrew my application.

Fun fact: Pymetrics has hired a lot of former C64 game programmers.

Good one. C64 games almost always required a joystick though. Maybe ZX Spectrum game programmers?

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Also seems biased towards programmers that prefer spaces instead of tabs...

Are they programming in Python? https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#tabs-or-spaces

Yes, hence Py-metrics.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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I've always viewed staying up with the latest tools, technologies, and practices as part of my job. I've also found that the people who tend to not do this or display a similar sentiment you touched on with your comment, it's because you have carved out a large enough amount of success or niche with what you are working with. Am I reading into this too far?

The breadth of the industry makes it completely impossible to keep up with everything. I started typing out a list, but the list would be impossibly long.

Also once you've done it for about 10 years you realize there's not a lot that's really new.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Doing an online application to initiate contact with a potential employer is already a strike against the applicant. The whole point of these systems is to whittle down the pool of candidates down to single digits. Of course each candidate is going to "perfectly match" the stated faux-objective criteria because that's what the users of these systems think they want. Whether or not that's what they need is another que…

Google did a study on what elements of the hiring process correlated with good performance and found that references we're almost useless.

Are we talking about candidate provided references?

Or telling your boss "hey, my buddy is looking for a new job, I'll shoot you the resume"?

The former seems fairly useless, the latter seems useful

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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10 years ago I was so excited and optimistic about the future technology was going to bring us. As that future comes closer it's quickly becoming quite clear that this entire industry is bringing us a giant dystopian future. Tech companies have more power then governments, individual privacy is gone. Corporations, already pretty impersonal, have completed the transition to treating people as "resources", completely d…

My plan when I retire (about 10 years) is to have no internet and no mobile phone. I really can't see what I'd be losing.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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I have a section on my resume called: 'Technologies I'm Unfamiliar With' Underneath is a Laundry list of today's sexiest technologies. It's not quite as advanced as your suggestion, but it's pretty effective. It's also a good icebreaker when you have the in person interview.

I've always viewed staying up with the latest tools, technologies, and practices as part of my job. I've also found that the people who tend to not do this or display a similar sentiment you touched on with your comment, it's because you have carved out a large enough amount of success or niche with what you are working with. Am I reading into this too far?

If it's part of your job then you spend time in your regular 9-5 day keeping up with technologies correct? Otherwise it's not part of your job, it's part of your personal time.

Employers tend to want people with the right skills but they seldom allow time to develop those skills.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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post #86

10 years ago I was so excited and optimistic about the future technology was going to bring us. As that future comes closer it's quickly becoming quite clear that this entire industry is bringing us a giant dystopian future. Tech companies have more power then governments, individual privacy is gone. Corporations, already pretty impersonal, have completed the transition to treating people as "resources", completely d…

Sounds a bit Black Mirror Complex. People were complaining about being treated as resources since the industrial revolution - and before then serfs knew that they were resources! More power than governments, seriously? The only time I have seen that rhetoric come up is complete fucking morons complaining about encryption and wanting to outlaw math.

Help help! I’m being repressed! https://youtu.be/ZtYU87QNjPw

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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I've always viewed staying up with the latest tools, technologies, and practices as part of my job. I've also found that the people who tend to not do this or display a similar sentiment you touched on with your comment, it's because you have carved out a large enough amount of success or niche with what you are working with. Am I reading into this too far?

As someone who gets to participate in the hiring process more than I'd like to, I look for balance on resumes. If you bring nothing but J2EE 1.4 experience I'm going to assume you've carved out a focused niche. I'll steer the interview towards broad, modern practices and technologies. If your resume talks about nothing but modern technologies, I'll try to dive deep to be sure you aren't a dilettante with surface know…

Do you have hard data demonstrating that your method actually has greater predictive power for job performance than other methods?

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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The next logical step would be to train an adversarial AI against the hiring AI. You'd have the system generate your resume and application to maximize your chances. Then the hiring AI would need to be re-trained to account for this. And so on. In the far future, this feedback loop creates an economy where every job application is total gibberish. No human can possibly explain why their resume is a recipe for carne a…

I have a section on my resume called: 'Technologies I'm Unfamiliar With' Underneath is a Laundry list of today's sexiest technologies. It's not quite as advanced as your suggestion, but it's pretty effective. It's also a good icebreaker when you have the in person interview.

This is similar to Stackoverflow's 'Technologies I don't like' resume section. Every time I encounter something truly horrible I add it there. I also add tech to filter out roles I'd rather not get tricked into doing. So far I get asked about this section a lot. Mostly from recruiters curious to see how flexible I am because internally the company does a little X or Y and needs to know if it's a deal breaker. It can really tell you a lot about places you would rather not work at though if you know for sure there are processes you want to avoid.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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I kind of rambled on about this in another comment on this thread, but I paid someone $250 to optimize my resume with key words to appease AI. It worked. I got automated replies to schedule phone screenings from jobs that had rejected my old resume. It's already happening.

I am curious what they did - can you share high level details? EG: if you're a developer, did they add more technologies, or what was the type of thing?

The very fact that they serve many clients gives the service a good view on what generates increased response rates.

I once scraped a bunch of job postings and did a simple word frequency count. Just eyeballing the list, I picked out a few of the most commonly mentioned techs and skills. By just rewording a few of my resume entries, it seemed to increase my response rate by quite a bit.

For example, in the description of one project I added "using JSON". It wasn't particularly important to that project that the exchange format used was JSON, but apparently many of those doing hiring are seeing fit to include that in their searches.

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