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Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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They'll complain and then we'll show them the energy consumption of the finance industry.

Controlling for transaction volume the energy consumption of bitcoin is orders of magnitude higher than the rest of the finance industry.

Right, but the transaction volume is just awfully bad with Bitcoin, so much so that it's a big limitation of the whole system.

It's been clear for a long time that Bitcoin is not suited for small transactions.

Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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Yeah this narrative is played out. Yes bitcoin uses a lot of energy. Almost certainly less than the things it is competing against. And over time it has the potential to decrease that consumption drastically with other protocols, an option traditional banking doesn't possess. Bitcoin is already the greenest form of finance and will get much cleaner in the future.

Bitcoin is the greenest form of finance that gets greener over time? What nonsense is this? Already ONE transaction consumes as much power as an entire American household uses for a week.That is 215 kwh of energy for one transaction. It's using the equivalent of 2.26 million American homes worth of energy for just 330k transactions. A significant chunk of that is wash trading, ie people buying and selling to themselv…

How many skycrcapers are there in the world constructed for financial institutions. Want to go down the rabbit hole of calculating that CO2?

Also, cite your sources

Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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Yeah this narrative is played out. Yes bitcoin uses a lot of energy. Almost certainly less than the things it is competing against. And over time it has the potential to decrease that consumption drastically with other protocols, an option traditional banking doesn't possess. Bitcoin is already the greenest form of finance and will get much cleaner in the future.

Bitcoin is the greenest form of finance that gets greener over time? What nonsense is this? Already ONE transaction consumes as much power as an entire American household uses for a week.That is 215 kwh of energy for one transaction. It's using the equivalent of 2.26 million American homes worth of energy for just 330k transactions. A significant chunk of that is wash trading, ie people buying and selling to themselv…

Indeed. If bitcoin was more energy efficient, its transaction fees would be lower since the price floor is the basic cost of the inputs. Visa fees can be only a few cents, and they're raking in the profit at that price. Bitcoin fees are currently $13.50.

Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll complain and then we'll show them the energy consumption of the finance industry.

Controlling for transaction volume the energy consumption of bitcoin is orders of magnitude higher than the rest of the finance industry.

No; every dollar you give to visa (or whatever payment processor) will eventually go to a human who will use energy, pollute, etc.

Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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Genuine question: what's the end game here for Musk? He's been tweeting about dogecoin, and then Tesla invests a non insignificant amount of money in BTC. I smell something fishy.

I have no idea. Maybe it's just a pump-and-dump scheme but he's doing crypto to steer clear of the SEC this time? Maybe he's trolling? Maybe he really is going off the rails?

He's been going off the rails for a while it seems. I've come to feel the human brain isn't really well optimised for handling the type of social integration a few hundred thousand Twitter followers provide.

Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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I always wondered what will happen when the environmentalists find out about the energy consumption requirements of Bitcoin.

Bit of an aside, but it's so wild that we label people as "environmentalists" and that anyone would place themselves NOT in that group. It seems like 100% of people should want air which is non-toxic, water which is non-toxic and food which is non-toxic. But of course, being an "abolitionist" was a political group in the 1800s but now it's just assumed that 100% of people are anti-slavery, so maybe the optimistic tak…

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Re: Tesla spent $1.5B in clean car credits on Bitcoin

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Genuine question: what's the end game here for Musk? He's been tweeting about dogecoin, and then Tesla invests a non insignificant amount of money in BTC. I smell something fishy.

I think Tesla want's to start accepting bitcoin as payment. This is my speculation, but this kind of acquisition makes sense if they also want to render payment in bitcoin.

Alternatively this is just a value storage. Musk went on record saying he thinks stock is overvalued at the beginning of 2020 and then it went on 700% rampage. This could be just that Tesla has more cash than they need and they wanted to store it in an asset sheltered from inflation.

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