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Enough Is Enough

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Re: Enough Is Enough

#31

Sadly, Software® patents are here to stay, so long® as the patent trolls® and lobbyists®© can find enough people in the "corridors of power"® who'll shamelessly accept their cheques to maintain the status quo. The problem is inherent in the fact that people®© are flawed. And by "flawed", I mean "cunts"® Unless I'm wrong. In which case we can expect software patents to disappear next week.

Umm, I have a patent on using software to write the word "cun--." Please redact, or send me $5 ;)

Re: Enough Is Enough

#32
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Unfortunately, by choosing to license instead of crushing them early, companies like Google, Apple, IBM, Cisco and Accenture and government bodies like the IRS provided funding for the troll to grow and thrive. It's relatively easy to say "enough is enough". Actually fighting back is harder and, at this point, almost impossible.

> Unfortunately, by choosing to license instead of crushing them early, companies like Google, Apple, IBM, Cisco and Accenture and government bodies like the IRS provided funding for the troll to grow and thrive. Reality is a bit more complex: none of those licensed from Lodsys, instead they have blanket licenses to all IP of Intellectual Ventures (the biggest patent troll in the world) as part of their initial inves…

Thanks for the clarification. In any case, Lodsys' site claims IBM, Cisco and Accenture to be clients. I assume those licensed directly from the troll.

Re: Enough Is Enough

#33
I spent a week vacation with 2 friends who work at the patent office, so w e had time to discuss over beers. They don't believe there is a problem. They rely so heavily on prior art, and have trouble with the very concept that something was too obvious for the first 20 programmers to want to patent it, so prior art is very incomplete. I show them 1 click, they tell me that if it was that obvious someone would have patented it before. They refuse to consider the "skilled in the art" obviousness test because they say it's too easy to believe something is obvious after it's been explained to me.

Re: Enough Is Enough

#34

Maybe somebody needs to move this issue to someplace more visible. I'd like to introduce the concept of Movie Patents. I'd register a patent for the plot device of having the bad guy be the main character's best friend, with additional clauses for being his boss, advisor, or partner. I wouldn't ever make any movies. I'd just sit back and collect royalties from everybody who used my idea. The reason behind this is tha…

That's called a copyright.

People have disputed the originality of movie ideas including Matrix [0] and Harry Potter [1].

[0] http://blogcritics.org/video/article/author-sues-matrix-writ...

[1] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/18/entertainment/main...

Re: Enough Is Enough

#35

I really don't think the problem is software patents, it seems to me the real problem is that most software patents seem to be ridiculously trivial. Here's an example: my employer, a rather small company has invested an enormous amount of resources in developing a specific algorithm. It took years of research and development, lots of money and brainpower, it's very far from being trivial (in fact it's so complicated…

Another solution would be to create a very inexpensive way to defend against a patent lawsuit. If defending yourself is trivial, the incentive to agree to extortion schemes is dramatically reduced.

A better one could be to make it profitable to defend against frivolous lawsuits like these. If the plaintiff is required to pay the legal bills of the defendant, plus a hefty margin awarded by the judge according to how frivolous the lawsuit was, we would turn the incentive backwards. That would prevent ridiculous patents like these to even reach a court and create a market for lawyers specialized in shooting down stupid lawsuits.

Re: Enough Is Enough

#36
Fred's argument is filled with hypocrisy. It's akin to saying VCs kill innovation because they make it harder for bootstrapping companies to survive.

If Lodsys is a patent troll, then Fred is an equity troll. When Lodsys purchased the patent, the inventor got PAID. When investors purchase stock in a company, the founders (and in the case of an IPO or acquisition, the VC's) get PAID.

This is virtually the same principle.

Besides, Lodsys "is seeking 0.575% of US revenue over for the period of the notice letter to the expiration of the patent, plus applicable past usage." That's hardly enough to kill innovation.

Re: Enough Is Enough

#37
I'm just fed up with the stupidity of the status quo. As a number of posts have pointed out, the lawyers, Patent Office, etc. generally don't see this as a problem. People like us who actually want to create new things ... we're the ones who are the losers.

This is another instance where it would have been beneficial if all software professionals belonged to a Guild or union. If we were organized, at least there is some sliver of a chance that we'd be able to have an influence on the legislative process. If that fails, we would just not work to create software patents.

Re: Enough Is Enough

#38
I think America's patent & copyright laws are in need of a serious rethinking in the digital age, but what are we the people doing about it? I would love to get involved (or donate) but I'm not aware of any credible groups or projects making strides to help bring about such a change. Any noteworthy efforts out there that I should know about?

Re: Enough Is Enough

#39
So all of technology including manufacturing has gotten quicker, faster, overall better, but the patent system hasn't changed. Also the entire cycle of a company is speeding up. An easy example the time companies that are listed on the s&p 500 are getting shorter. Instead of getting rid of patents can we just shorten the time that they are valid. Say 5 years.

Re: Enough Is Enough

#40

I spent a week vacation with 2 friends who work at the patent office, so w e had time to discuss over beers. They don't believe there is a problem. They rely so heavily on prior art, and have trouble with the very concept that something was too obvious for the first 20 programmers to want to patent it, so prior art is very incomplete. I show them 1 click, they tell me that if it was that obvious someone would have pa…

I can believe it's too easy to believe that something non-obvious is obvious once you've understood it. But that doesn't mean that some things aren't legitimately obvious. It seems like we ought to take an empirical approach to distinguishing which are which -- take skilled engineers either in groups or singly who haven't heard of a given solution, pose them the problem that the solution is meant to solve, let them brainstorm or think for some fixed amount of time, and see if anything they come up with largely reproduces the solution in mind. If fewer than k engineers are needed before someone thinks of it, then it's obvious. If more than l > k engineers are needed before someone thinks of it, then it's not obvious. If somewhere between k and l engineers are needed, then maybe you still get to argue about it. On a related note, I think I have a new strategy for generating interview questions.
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