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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by Ansil849 »

throw14082020 wrote: post #591
Ansil849 wrote: post #548

Here's the thing people need to realize: your email address, phone number, and any other digital identifier can be stripped and taken from you by whoever owns the service at any time. It doesn't matter if you host your own domain/mailer daemon, the host and/or registrar can choose to suspend your account as well. So really, there is no solution. Other than the realization that our communications channels are not ours…

This is academic/ theoretical. Having control over your email and preventing total loss of email like Terraria's author is not "difficult". Own your email domain, but pay a hosting provider for emails. Then, if that hosting provider doesn't want to host you anymore, you can switch to another provider instantly or host your own mail server (bad idea). You can argue the domain registrar can take it away from you, but t…

> You can argue the domain registrar can take it away from you, but that doesn't happen unless you do something illegal with that domain or don't pay the annual fee.

Registrar TOSes are just as opaque as email providers, which just as many case of seemingly irrational domain seizures.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by ceejayoz »

capdeck wrote: post #818
ck425 wrote: post #775

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Regulation" gave us the end of Slavery. "Regulation" gave us the end of child labour. "Regulation" gave us a 5 day work week. "Regulation" gave us a reasonable number of holidays (in Europe atleast). Regulation isn't fundamentally bad. Nor does is need to be controlled by lobbyists and big business. Your points against regulation aren't against "Regulation", they're against bad regulation. The response to bad regula…

> "Regulation" gave us a 5 day work week. Wasn't it Henry Ford who gave us 5 day work week? 5 days to work, 1 day for church and 1 day to get out and buy the cars he was making.

Not everyone works for Ford.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act_of_19... is what extended something similar (a 40 hour work week) nationwide.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by seankimdesign »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #734

If you've got an automated vetting process with a 99.999% success rate, but are dealing with billions of accounts, that's still tens of thousands of false positives. At that level, "percentage" is an insufficient measure. You want "permillionage", or maybe more colloquially "DPM" for "Defects Per Million" or even "DPB". You'll still get false positives though, so you provide an appeal process. But what's to prevent t…

Can you please elaborate on bad actors absuing the appeals process? Is your point about how everyone will automatically appeal, making it difficult for genuine queries to receive the human attention they need? Or is there another vector of abuse you were thinking of?

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by mooman219 »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #734

If you've got an automated vetting process with a 99.999% success rate, but are dealing with billions of accounts, that's still tens of thousands of false positives. At that level, "percentage" is an insufficient measure. You want "permillionage", or maybe more colloquially "DPM" for "Defects Per Million" or even "DPB". You'll still get false positives though, so you provide an appeal process. But what's to prevent t…

I think this is a balancing act of risks, and I wanted to bring up what I believe to be a success story when it comes to handling suspensions: Microsoft.

One thing I believe Microsoft gets right is that suspensions are isolated to the service whose TOS was violated. I.e. violating the hotmail TOS doesn't suspend you from their other services. I think this makes the impact of a false positive less catastrophic, while still removing actual problematic users from the service. This may be an artifact of how teams work together at Microsoft.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by odessacubbage »

brundolf wrote: post #629
nvarsj wrote: post #528

I feel like Google is a case study in an engineering only company. Everything is reduced to a technical problem. Incentives are aligned to solve technical problems. No one wants to work on something unless it is technically interesting and new. There is no incentive at all for delivering an excellent user experience over the long term - which usually can't be done with tech only, and involves a lot of dredge work of…

Stadia, from day one, has seemed like an engineering-oriented project. It's a cool tech that nobody asked for and not many people actually want (and has been atrociously packaged as an actual product). I can just hear the kickoff meeting: "We have some of the best cloud engineers in the world, we have one of the biggest fleets of data centers. Not a lot of companies could reasonably implement cloud gaming, but I bet…

i'd like to think even a middling engineer would be able to recognize an intractable infrastructure problem that is entirely out of their hands. stadia can have perfect tech and the best customer service in the world and it simply will not matter until you effectively create your own nationwide isp as well. space age technology does not mean shit if your customers are still in the age of horse and buggy.

terraria also highlights the utter absurdity of game streaming. it can and has been ported to practically every relevant device and costs less than a big mac. google invented a billion dollar laser to cook microwave popcorn.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by throw14082020 »

Ansil849 wrote: post #861
throw14082020 wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is academic/ theoretical. Having control over your email and preventing total loss of email like Terraria's author is not "difficult". Own your email domain, but pay a hosting provider for emails. Then, if that hosting provider doesn't want to host you anymore, you can switch to another provider instantly or host your own mail server (bad idea). You can argue the domain registrar can take it away from you, but t…

> You can argue the domain registrar can take it away from you, but that doesn't happen unless you do something illegal with that domain or don't pay the annual fee. Registrar TOSes are just as opaque as email providers, which just as many case of seemingly irrational domain seizures.

I presume you mean there are cases where registrar's have "seized" a domain. Would be good if you had an example, because I sure can't find one.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by Applejinx »

brundolf wrote: post #726
ryandrake wrote: post #662

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The narrow "want to play games on my mac" problem could be solved if game developers chose to build the game cross-platform from the start and release a mac build. Many games are already cross-platform, as they run on both Windows and consoles. The fact that so many game companies don't even bother with a mac build shows they don't want to solve this for whatever reason (probably mac just not profitable enough). If a…

Doing a Mac build from Unreal or Unity is generally easy (and most of the smaller games that use those engines do release Mac builds); doing a Mac build from an in-house engine may be a ton of work But more importantly: Mac hardware usually isn't really equipped for high-end games. If you have a pro-tier machine you might do okay, but nobody buys Macs for gaming, at the very least. It's just too niche of a market to…

Apple's moving to the M1 chip for desktop/laptop Macs. That's going to make the target look more like top-end Mac hardware… and the iPhone.

The latter isn't a niche market, it's a 'not high-end' market. But that could evolve, I think.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by sethammons »

Swizec wrote: post #773
sethammons wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it "intense verification?" What is a good alternative? I lost access to my blizzard account once and I had to send in my driver's license.

Because Facebook is not a government institution. My legal identity is no concern of theirs. You can do a lot of stuff at the bank, with your doctor, etc without ever having to show your state ID. What is facebook doing that’s so very serious they’d need it? (not OP but I use a consistent nom de plume online)

I show my ID to pick up my order from Home Depot. I’d suppose Facebook would be trying to prevent someone else from accessing your account, like Home Depot is preventing someone from taking my order.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

mooman219 wrote: post #864
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #734

If you've got an automated vetting process with a 99.999% success rate, but are dealing with billions of accounts, that's still tens of thousands of false positives. At that level, "percentage" is an insufficient measure. You want "permillionage", or maybe more colloquially "DPM" for "Defects Per Million" or even "DPB". You'll still get false positives though, so you provide an appeal process. But what's to prevent t…

I think this is a balancing act of risks, and I wanted to bring up what I believe to be a success story when it comes to handling suspensions: Microsoft. One thing I believe Microsoft gets right is that suspensions are isolated to the service whose TOS was violated. I.e. violating the hotmail TOS doesn't suspend you from their other services. I think this makes the impact of a false positive less catastrophic, while…

Yup, I agree this is the better solution. The monolithic "one account rules everything" approach just increases the user's vulnerability.

It's largely what made Facebook's forcing usage of their account for Oculus users so ass-backwards.

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