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NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by personlurking »

motohagiography wrote: post #7

He's right. When I started writing in the 90's, there was an idea of journalism as telling stories in the principled defence of minority interests and as a public check on institutional power, but it has mutated into the unhinged and corrupt prosecution of deviance from official narrative lines. Social media is just a way for neighbours to denounce one another in a new snitch culture that rivals any 20th century syst…

>there was an idea of journalism as telling stories in the principled defence of minority interests and as a public check on institutional power

To “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable”, as it were.

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Post by originalvichy »

And ironically, Greenwald stoops low on their level to fight in the mud with pigs instead of focusing on more relevant things.

The internet and Twitter have amplification feedback loops which means that the best way to handle this stuff is to not interact and promote it by giving it more eyes.

Ever since a feminist gamer started pointing out sexist oddities from video games and my fellow video game enthusiasts got their panties in a bunch and started a hate machine against her, I've seen this pattern repeat itself again and again.

Stop giving them the notoriety and eyes and they would have disappeared 5 years ago.

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Post by filoleg »

the_gastropod wrote: post #20

The NYT is hardly beyond criticism. But Greenwald's whole schtick these past few years has been little more than a more articulate Trumpian "the press is the enemy of the people" anti-intellectual nonsense. I don't think Greenwald is a Russian agent. But it's hard to imagine a Russian agent behaving a whole lot differently, if their motive was to sow discord and distrust in our most historically credible institutions…

I would argue that the examples of "journalism" critiqued in that article are more in line with what an enemy would act like. Pretending otherwise feels like blaming Snowden for exposing certain unlawful things that NSA has been doing.

Except with Snowden, there is at least a non-zero-value argument against him when it comes to exposing secrets related to national security (even though I, along with many other people, don't see him as the real bad guy in that whole story). While those "journalists", like Taylor Lorenz, don't have even that excuse on their side.

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Post by ta8645 »

the_gastropod wrote: post #20

The NYT is hardly beyond criticism. But Greenwald's whole schtick these past few years has been little more than a more articulate Trumpian "the press is the enemy of the people" anti-intellectual nonsense. I don't think Greenwald is a Russian agent. But it's hard to imagine a Russian agent behaving a whole lot differently, if their motive was to sow discord and distrust in our most historically credible institutions…

> if their motive was to sow discord and distrust in our most historically credible institutions.

Those very institutions are doing exactly that to themselves. It's easy to ignore if they mostly comport with your own worldview. But to anyone who goes against the grain at all, it's starkly obvious that these institutions have become little more than propaganda machines for the dominant narrative.

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Post by xoa »

endymi0n wrote: post #15

It's interesting how polemic Greenwald has become, bringing with it the same magnitude of reality denial as the actors he is going after. A title like "The Journalistic Tattletale and Censorship Industry Suffers Several Well-Deserved Blows" coming from an investigative journalist like himself really sounds like a sore loser's version of "investigative journalism needs to die if it doesn't share my narrative and polit…

>I used to be a free speech absolutist myself back in Snowden times

FWIW, there is no reason you shouldn't still be a Free Speech absolutist (I still am) so long as you don't fall for the disinformation that Free Speech means freedom from social consequences. When individuals or other fully private entities decide they don't like someone's speech and choose to not associate or support that person/entity any longer, that's not censorship, that's Free Speech too! Freedom of association, the freedom not just to say things but not to say things is integral to the entire concept. The whole point of Free Speech is to allow arguments/counter arguments and social repercussions and so forth to go round and round to try to inch towards truth without the boot of physical force freezing it all. That doesn't mean anyone is owed others private property.

Greenwald in this piece is, plain and simple, actively opposed to Free Speech. He's dishonestly equating social criticism and Freedom of Association with censorship, which is unsurprisingly a frequent logical fallacy (false equivalency) employed by actual authoritarian regimes. "Sure Russia/China/whever may actively poison, shoot, beat, imprison, and otherwise suppress dissidents, but meanwhile in America Twitter bans people or the NY Times refuses to publish literally anything anyone sends so they're censoring too!"

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Post by 93po »

tootie wrote: post #47
endymi0n wrote: post #15

It's interesting how polemic Greenwald has become, bringing with it the same magnitude of reality denial as the actors he is going after. A title like "The Journalistic Tattletale and Censorship Industry Suffers Several Well-Deserved Blows" coming from an investigative journalist like himself really sounds like a sore loser's version of "investigative journalism needs to die if it doesn't share my narrative and polit…

He has absolutely always been like this. His rambling screeds used to be posted to reddit pretty constantly long before he published Snowden. This NYT reporter made a mistake and posted an incorrect accusation on her twitter, that she later corrected. Big mistake, but she owned it. And here he is calling the situation "Stasi-like".

There's a difference between making a mistake and not having journalistic integrity

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Post by elliekelly »

[deleted] wrote: post #29
jameslk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what Telegram and Signal are hosting on? Is it one of the big cloud providers? Could they be deplatformed for harboring "terrorists" on their platforms?

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> Signal and Telegram are already compromised.

By whom? What topics are unable to be freely discussed on these applications?

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

klmadfejno wrote: post #40
eitland wrote: post #6

>the Times’ tech team quickly donned their hall-monitor goggles and Stasi notebooks to warn that the Bad People had migrated to Signal and Telegram. This week they asked: “Are Private Messaging Apps the Next Misinformation Hot Spot?” One reporter “confess[ed] that I am worried about Telegram. Other than private messaging, people love to use Telegram for group chats — up to 200,000 people can meet inside a Telegram ch…

It blows my mind that someone would read > 'the Times’ tech team quickly donned their hall-monitor goggles and Stasi notebooks to warn that the Bad People had migrated to Signal and Telegram.' and then decide this was good quality, unbiased journalism worth paying for. And then go on to post that sentence as evidence of its goodness. Looks like anger porn to me.

You don't have look far to see how popular anger porn is today. I guess he knows his market.
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