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NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by nickelcitymario »

He criticizes other journalists for being singularly focused on calling out “bad behaviour”, but has anyone made a bigger career out of doing exactly that than Greenwald?

It’s hypocritical. I’m not even saying he’s factually wrong (I don’t have the interest in fact checking him). I’m just saying that every time he writes anything, he can’t help but draw comparisons to fascism.

Yes, it’s helpful to reference fascism when witnessing truly fascist things. I, too, am opposed to fascism. But that’s hardly an interesting or controversial position.

Yet everything Glenn doesn’t like seems to be a part of either a grand conspiracy or a symptom of said conspiracy.

Dude is off his rocker.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by jameslk »

babesh wrote: post #23
TameAntelope wrote: post #9

The tone of this article is atrocious, if Glenn had a point it was completely lost when he peppered this article with snark and derision. He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak impartially about this topic. This is an attempted hit piece and he's not subtle about it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, he's never been very adept at objectivity or impartiality. I'm honestly surpri…

A classic strategy is to attack the messenger instead of the message. You are doing this. There isn’t one fact in your statement. Pure opinion and feeling. Greenwald peppers his article with disgust but he also backs it up with facts.

I'm not sure why this comment is getting downvoted and flagged. The point is valid. This is an ad hominem attack with non sequiturs too like "He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak"

It's contentless and cheap. I'd like to hear some counterarguments to Glen's points instead.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by ashtonkem »

Lammy wrote: post #3

> Like some creepy informant for a state security apparatus I really admire his restraint with what he’s trying to convey here despite how many people will miss reading between the lines.

That's the first time the word "restraint" have appeared near Greenwald's name in a long, long time. Given that he's accusing NYT reporters of being the Stasi, I don't think that "restraint" is the word I'd use to describe him.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by throw14082020 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #9

The tone of this article is atrocious, if Glenn had a point it was completely lost when he peppered this article with snark and derision. He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak impartially about this topic. This is an attempted hit piece and he's not subtle about it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, he's never been very adept at objectivity or impartiality. I'm honestly surpri…

What makes you think the tone is atrocious? What makes you think he holds digust?

He seemed to raise many separate facts and past situations to prove his point, do read the article and come back with logical arguments.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by renewiltord »

It must surely be some Internet Law that people who spend most of their time in bubbles where they converse with the worst of their opponents make the worst arguments to people outside the bubble.

So, if you take an otherwise decent smart person and place her in a spot where all her enemies are vitriolic morons, she will start to apply vitriolic rhetoric. Bring this person out of that universe and into the normal world and she will continue to act as if she is speaking to that subset. However, the normal world now sees only her polemic, not what she is reacting to.

You can use this technique very effectively to turn normal people into weird people. Surround them temporarily with enemies who are violent-sounding morons and then return them to the general world. It's the equivalent of everyone in a parking lot parking over the lines and then forcing the last guy into a space where he has to park over the lines. Then you leave, and everyone else coming in thinks this one guy is the asshole.

Of course, reading the article he is actually absolutely correct about these Hall Monitor scarlet letter "label the witch" people.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by ryanSrich »

hellisothers wrote: post #50
throwaway20875 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm honestly surprised more folks haven't seen through his shtick yet, as they saw through Taibbi's. They're right though. One-eyed men in the land of the blind. Being right matters more than a politely crafted message. Further, you're attacking the messenger and not the point/substance of the message. Weak.

Being “right” but unconvincing because of abrasiveness is just screaming into the void, or worse, into an echo chamber. If he can’t create an article that wins people over with reason then why write the article at all? I’m sympathetic to some of his points but this article by itself is not convincing.

He isn't writing this to win people over. We're years past that point.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by [deleted] »

endymi0n wrote: post #15

It's interesting how polemic Greenwald has become, bringing with it the same magnitude of reality denial as the actors he is going after. A title like "The Journalistic Tattletale and Censorship Industry Suffers Several Well-Deserved Blows" coming from an investigative journalist like himself really sounds like a sore loser's version of "investigative journalism needs to die if it doesn't share my narrative and polit…

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Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by [deleted] »

babesh wrote: post #32
the_gastropod wrote: post #20

The NYT is hardly beyond criticism. But Greenwald's whole schtick these past few years has been little more than a more articulate Trumpian "the press is the enemy of the people" anti-intellectual nonsense. I don't think Greenwald is a Russian agent. But it's hard to imagine a Russian agent behaving a whole lot differently, if their motive was to sow discord and distrust in our most historically credible institutions…

Such a classic attack. I am not accusing him of being the enemy but he sure acts like one.

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Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by SamBam »

motohagiography wrote: post #7

He's right. When I started writing in the 90's, there was an idea of journalism as telling stories in the principled defence of minority interests and as a public check on institutional power, but it has mutated into the unhinged and corrupt prosecution of deviance from official narrative lines. Social media is just a way for neighbours to denounce one another in a new snitch culture that rivals any 20th century syst…

> ...from official narrative lines

I always laugh at this. Which "official narrative lines?"

During the Trump administration, many people complained that all journalism was too anti-Trump, and anti-Trump voters (who voted in the majority in 2016). So was this "prosecution" of the views of the party in power by journalists enforcing the "official narrative," or against it? Was it defending the minority's interests or the majority's?

Somehow, everyone has it in their minds that "PC culture" is the real official line, no matter who is in power. This is how, when all the social media apps were censoring Trump, everyone just accepted the perception that it was big-government censoring the little people, even though it was literally censoring the people in power.

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