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NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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babesh wrote: post #23
TameAntelope wrote: post #9

The tone of this article is atrocious, if Glenn had a point it was completely lost when he peppered this article with snark and derision. He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak impartially about this topic. This is an attempted hit piece and he's not subtle about it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, he's never been very adept at objectivity or impartiality. I'm honestly surpri…

A classic strategy is to attack the messenger instead of the message. You are doing this. There isn’t one fact in your statement. Pure opinion and feeling. Greenwald peppers his article with disgust but he also backs it up with facts.

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Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by babesh »

the_gastropod wrote: post #20

The NYT is hardly beyond criticism. But Greenwald's whole schtick these past few years has been little more than a more articulate Trumpian "the press is the enemy of the people" anti-intellectual nonsense. I don't think Greenwald is a Russian agent. But it's hard to imagine a Russian agent behaving a whole lot differently, if their motive was to sow discord and distrust in our most historically credible institutions…

Such a classic attack. I am not accusing him of being the enemy but he sure acts like one.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by stonogo »

eitland wrote: post #6

>the Times’ tech team quickly donned their hall-monitor goggles and Stasi notebooks to warn that the Bad People had migrated to Signal and Telegram. This week they asked: “Are Private Messaging Apps the Next Misinformation Hot Spot?” One reporter “confess[ed] that I am worried about Telegram. Other than private messaging, people love to use Telegram for group chats — up to 200,000 people can meet inside a Telegram ch…

> Good journalism is extremely important but much of what we see today is a mix of extreme bias, outright lies and outrage manufacturing.

I haven't seen Greenwald do much other than outrage manufacturing in some years. I guess it's paying the bills.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by shadowgovt »

It seems counter-productive to me for journalists to call for spaces like this to be taken down.

Far more valuable to them should be to leave them up, set up their own account, and lurk. Online fora where people believe they are chatting privately or psudonymously are the ultimate honeypot for teasing out things they would never say in public. I recall the time Mitt Romney was outed by an anonymous recorder who divulged several things he said during a high-ticket fundraiser that did poorly for his messaging on the campaign trail in 2012 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/top-13-quotes-mitt-romn...).

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by throwaway20875 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #9

The tone of this article is atrocious, if Glenn had a point it was completely lost when he peppered this article with snark and derision. He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak impartially about this topic. This is an attempted hit piece and he's not subtle about it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, he's never been very adept at objectivity or impartiality. I'm honestly surpri…

>I'm honestly surprised more folks haven't seen through his shtick yet, as they saw through Taibbi's.

They're right though. One-eyed men in the land of the blind. Being right matters more than a politely crafted message.

Further, you're attacking the messenger and not the point/substance of the message. Weak.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by kevin__ »

TameAntelope wrote: post #9

The tone of this article is atrocious, if Glenn had a point it was completely lost when he peppered this article with snark and derision. He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak impartially about this topic. This is an attempted hit piece and he's not subtle about it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, he's never been very adept at objectivity or impartiality. I'm honestly surpri…

If nothing else, it shows the value of having an actual editor. I'm assuming Glenn's writing has always been this ridiculous, but that decent editors were preventing his worst instincts and tendencies from actually making it into the published version.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by filoleg »

KSS42 wrote: post #16
jamestimmins wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I'm dense, but what is he alluding to? Beyond a communist/1984-like system where everyone informs on each other?

On twitter, Taylor Lorenz accused Marc Andreessen of using the "R-slur" in a Clubhouse discussion. In fact, some one else said the word in the context of some /r/wallstreetbets folks calling themselves "retards" in a self deprecating manner. Taylor Lorenz's issue is that she is blocked by Marc Andreessen and several others on Clubhouse. So she is blocked from entering many key rooms (i.e. the one where Elon Musk and…

Not even just that. After being confronted about the fact that Marc never said it, Lorenz didn't apologize at all and said "it was just another male voice that sounded similar". Turns out, in the end, it wasn't even a "male voice", it was Felicia Horowitz. And the context in which that word was said was fully appropriate too, regardless of who said it. If you show what Felicia said to any reasonable person, I don't think they would be able to argue that there was anything "problematic" about it. Relevant quote from the article:

>The moderator of the discussion, Nait Jones, said that “Marc never used that word.” What actually happened was that Felicia Horowitz, a different participant in the discussion, had “explained that the Redditors call themselves ‘retard revolution’” and that was the only mention of that word.

And of course, after all this overwhelming proof that this was all just falsehoods and lies, there was no apology, no retraction, and the "journalist" just decided to play the victim as if she was the one who was wronged.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by ryanSrich »

TameAntelope wrote: post #9

The tone of this article is atrocious, if Glenn had a point it was completely lost when he peppered this article with snark and derision. He clearly holds disgust for his subject, which ruins his ability to speak impartially about this topic. This is an attempted hit piece and he's not subtle about it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, he's never been very adept at objectivity or impartiality. I'm honestly surpri…

This is his substack, and honestly I think he's entirely justified going for the hit. If this was in a publication, I'd have higher standards.

Having said that, the NYT and their writers have gone too far too many times for instances like this to go unnoticed. I think it's entirely justified to start fighting fire with fire and calling for the cancelation of the cancelers.

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by lhnz »

Interestingly, China blocked access to Clubhouse today [0]. Even though our censors are annoying, at least they're less effective.

Actually, they appear less effective, but could it be that they're better because they're more subtle? Are we absolutely sure that the media elite doesn't ever conspire with those in the government towards particular goals?

[0] https://twitter.com/paulmozur/status/1358745066915860481

Re: NYT reporter falsely accuses tech investor of using a slur

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Post by klmadfejno »

eitland wrote: post #6

>the Times’ tech team quickly donned their hall-monitor goggles and Stasi notebooks to warn that the Bad People had migrated to Signal and Telegram. This week they asked: “Are Private Messaging Apps the Next Misinformation Hot Spot?” One reporter “confess[ed] that I am worried about Telegram. Other than private messaging, people love to use Telegram for group chats — up to 200,000 people can meet inside a Telegram ch…

It blows my mind that someone would read

> 'the Times’ tech team quickly donned their hall-monitor goggles and Stasi notebooks to warn that the Bad People had migrated to Signal and Telegram.'

and then decide this was good quality, unbiased journalism worth paying for. And then go on to post that sentence as evidence of its goodness.

Looks like anger porn to me.

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