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The largest study to date on the genetic basis of sexuality (2019)

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Not an expert here but, IF a gay gene existed, wouldn't have it been evolved into extinction?

Not necessarily, as long as it's recessive. Not an expert either here though.

Yes, it would; being recessive just makes the process take longer.

I've pointed out on other HN threads that homosexuality has much lower concordance in identical twins (around 40%) than almost any other trait, making it an especially unlikely candidate for direct genetic causes.

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"Ganna and his colleagues also used the analysis to estimate that up to 25% of sexual behaviour can be explained by genetics, with the rest influenced by environmental and cultural factors — a figure similar to the findings of smaller studies."

An argument for gay rights has been that people are "born that way". That appears to be false. Does this suggest that it may be possible to shape the environment to reduce the incidence of homosexuality? I wonder if societal normalization of homosexuality through the recognition of same-sex marriage, Pride Month, and LGBTQ clubs in schools and colleges have increased its incidence, and if the same is true for transgenderism.

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Not an expert here but, IF a gay gene existed, wouldn't have it been evolved into extinction?

Not neccessarily. Humans are social creatures, our genes' survival is not solely dependent on our individual ability to pass them on, since we share genes with our siblings and parents as well as offspring. For example, families with some non-reproducing offspring may fair better due to having a higher adults/children ratio.

If such a gene existed (which perhaps it doesn't), it might benefit families who had members carrying it.

This is the same reason some species have evolved alarm-calling when a predator is nearby. It benefits the collective (who share the gene), but at an obvious detriment to the individual's ability to pass on their genes in this case.

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I thought they determined already it was a hormone released in the womb during pregnancy, similar to left-handedness. That’s how you can get identical twins, but one is straight and the other is gay.

That is a pretty self-contradicting statement in multiple ways.

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Not an expert here but, IF a gay gene existed, wouldn't have it been evolved into extinction?

The argument around this is that it's of social benefit rather than individual. Particularly when child/infant mortality is high and women have lots of children, it could be helpful to have a pool of adults supporting the child-rearing of others, especially their immediate siblings.

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Honest question: what is being gay? Is it physical attraction? Emotional attraction? Both? Is it dislike, fear(?) of opposite sex?

An innate desire to form an atypical pairing in a non-reproductive fashion.

Honestly i have no idea but this might be one of the last places left on the internet you can ask a question like this without getting dogpiled.

I've batted for both teams in my life and i still can't tell you.

Re: The largest study to date on the genetic basis of sexuality (2019)

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Absence of proof from an infinite pool of choices isn't proof of absence, but complete understanding of the genome would eliminate it by exhaustion.

In terms of XY exclusively-gay, I think epigenetic is still the leading hypothesis and not genetic by itself. It would be interesting to learn how the genetics set-us up for epigenetic influences.

Other non-heterosexual and flexible sexualities for XX and XY seem more fluid and complicated to unpack. For example, I am unsure what proportion of lesbians are gold star and cannot be aroused at all by males, but I suspect it is low.

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A lot of the search for a gay gene seems trapped in an outdated understanding of sexuality as a binary proposition: "you're either A or B." How do you even begin to contemplate a study on sexuality once you understand it as highly varied and fluid? Same with gender. They're bimodal distributions at best . You can't just crop off the confounding valleys and call what you do with them good science.

To be fair the LGBT movement purposefully pushed that misconception because it was more convenient for civil rights purposes.
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