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Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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This makes me think of the (most likely apocryphal) story of the hiring manager faced with a huge stack of resumes. He divides the stack in half, and tosses the top half in the trash. "We don't want to hire those people. They're terribly unlucky."

You joke but this is actually how most recruiting AI systems work

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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I know a number of people who have paid for someone to do the personality tests for them, but with video it’s gotten harder. It’s also gotten easier for companies to reject for tacit bias such as gender, race, and any other number of factors. There doesn’t seem to be any safe guards for it; we didn’t do it, the software did it.

>It’s also gotten easier for companies to reject for tacit bias such as gender, race, and any other number of factors In some European countries like Germany, Spain and Austria it's not even tacit as it's tradition to have your photo and birthday in your resume, especially for more traditional companies, to the point where it generated some scandals in Austria and Germany since in some companies, being black or havin…

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Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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About a year and half ago I was applying for a software engineering internship at Goldman Sachs and they made me take a Pymetrics test. One of the tasks was to press the spacebar as many times as possible in 30 seconds. I didn't do the task and withdrew my application.

Sounds like 50% of video games in the market. Just pretend it's about how high you can jump with infinite jump enabled!

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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About a year and half ago I was applying for a software engineering internship at Goldman Sachs and they made me take a Pymetrics test. One of the tasks was to press the spacebar as many times as possible in 30 seconds. I didn't do the task and withdrew my application.

To be fair, I've been training for that task my entire life

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

#46

The next logical step would be to train an adversarial AI against the hiring AI. You'd have the system generate your resume and application to maximize your chances. Then the hiring AI would need to be re-trained to account for this. And so on. In the far future, this feedback loop creates an economy where every job application is total gibberish. No human can possibly explain why their resume is a recipe for carne a…

Or just send in an image of a koala with a noise filter over it. 99% confidence for a prime candidate.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

#47

The next logical step would be to train an adversarial AI against the hiring AI. You'd have the system generate your resume and application to maximize your chances. Then the hiring AI would need to be re-trained to account for this. And so on. In the far future, this feedback loop creates an economy where every job application is total gibberish. No human can possibly explain why their resume is a recipe for carne a…

Lol.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

#48

About a year and half ago I was applying for a software engineering internship at Goldman Sachs and they made me take a Pymetrics test. One of the tasks was to press the spacebar as many times as possible in 30 seconds. I didn't do the task and withdrew my application.

Cordless drill with a small paddle bit held the right distance from the space bar would have aced that test.

Of course there's software tricks you could have used as well.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

#49
FWIW (at least in tech industry), apparently the automated filtering systems are a myth spread by companies who make money on the promise to optimize your resume to get past the filter.

https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1292909844886945792

(The OP of the tweet was an engineering manager in several big tech companies, wrote The Software Engineer’s Guidebook last year, and talked with many recruiters in the process)

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

#50
This reminds me of some times in the mid 2000s, I was looking for a job. I had a friend who was a manager at EA. He was trying to get me a job as a game tester but no luck. I had to apply online through their system, but they couldn't find my application.

After days of applying and not appearing, someone told him that it's possible that my application was being rejected. They found my name in the rejected pile. I don't know what exactly in my application was turning me into a red flag, or of if he didn't really want to hire me, but unless the system accepted me, I was not going to get hired.

I was never hired.

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