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Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by MikeDelta »

HenryBemis wrote: post #4

I assume that not all roles go through this process. If you are hiring for a sensitive position (CEO, other C-suite, any type of Compliance and Internal Audit), the process is different. I will also assume that the "AI" does only the first clean-up. Basically moving them from the 'pile on the floor' to the 'table', pick the 'top 100' for a role. Fun story: When working for a US tech company some years back, we were l…

Maybe they should use more AI to hire CEOs and upper management from a very large pool. We might get positively surprised.

(Or not, in which case I'd be surprised.)

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #8
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s also gotten easier for companies to reject for tacit bias such as gender, race, and any other number of factors In some European countries like Germany, Spain and Austria it's not even tacit as it's tradition to have your photo and birthday in your resume, especially for more traditional companies, to the point where it generated some scandals in Austria and Germany since in some companies, being black or havin…

> they don't discriminate on these things. In the U.S. they explicitly do discriminate on these things (and are often required to do so by law), but only in one direction.

AFAIK, photos and birthday are not allowed in US to prevent such discrimination so how would they do it then?

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by pc86 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #12
commandlinefan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they don't discriminate on these things. In the U.S. they explicitly do discriminate on these things (and are often required to do so by law), but only in one direction.

AFAIK, photos and birthday are not allowed in US to prevent such discrimination so how would they do it then?

They're referring to diversity programs as discrimination.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by throwitaway798 »

I’m not certain you can quantify the qualitative - it’s too much. How would you properly set up what you are looking for concerning the specifics in your company’s culture? It would be great to have follow ups - like did this person who passed all these tests and get hired really turn out to be amazing..? How do they factor Ig they get another job offer and leave shortly after the hire? When humans can’t even read humans how are they going to program something that will?

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by byerobh »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #6
underseacables wrote: post #3

I know a number of people who have paid for someone to do the personality tests for them, but with video it’s gotten harder. It’s also gotten easier for companies to reject for tacit bias such as gender, race, and any other number of factors. There doesn’t seem to be any safe guards for it; we didn’t do it, the software did it.

>It’s also gotten easier for companies to reject for tacit bias such as gender, race, and any other number of factors In some European countries like Germany, Spain and Austria it's not even tacit as it's tradition to have your photo and birthday in your resume, especially for more traditional companies, to the point where it generated some scandals in Austria and Germany since in some companies, being black or havin…

Yeah, those footers are just for the "more equal" crowd. Anyone I know who actually wants to discriminate, still gets away with it. Those who don't don't. But at least now the average diversity idealist is appeased.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by happyconcepts »

JackFr wrote: post #10

This makes me think of the (most likely apocryphal) story of the hiring manager faced with a huge stack of resumes. He divides the stack in half, and tosses the top half in the trash. "We don't want to hire those people. They're terribly unlucky."

Less harm there in the trash than in the cloud to be used by perfect strangers to profile you.

"This will go down in your permanent record" comes to mind.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by lordnacho »

JackFr wrote: post #10

This makes me think of the (most likely apocryphal) story of the hiring manager faced with a huge stack of resumes. He divides the stack in half, and tosses the top half in the trash. "We don't want to hire those people. They're terribly unlucky."

This is such a common story that a lot of people have actually witnessed it. I mean you might as well do that with a stack of CVs, so people actually do it. A friend of mine witnessed this, and clearly the boss hadn't thought of it himself.

Variations:

"The way we hire traders is we don't hire unlucky ones."

"The most important thing in sales is selling yourself."

Followed by unceremonious dump into bin.

Re: The computers rejecting job applications

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Post by londons_explore »

I wonder if it's possible to get the job applicants to evaluate each other?

That way you have a process that automatically scales to the number of applicants you have.

Exactly how to structure it so it can't be gamed/subverted is tricky, but you might imagine some team activity where the team does a task together, and then each person in the team is asked to so some kind of review of the other people in the team.

If you make the team activity be a small nugget of the actual work you need done, and you pay all the interviewees generously for their time, I can't imagine interviewees walking away unhappy at the end, even if they don't get the job.

You then interview the top 2 people from each team.

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