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Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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I have been bearish on BTC for a long time, but when I realized a few years ago that the fiat system we have in place is unsustainable, I see it as a safe hedge against it and the inevitable hyper inflation which will happen in our lifetime. I know HN is highly skeptical of anything crypto and I agree that blockchain as a technology doesn't have any notable usages. But right now, Bitcoin is the safest deflationary as…

Sooo you believe that when our current system fails, you will still be able to sell and buy bitcoins?

Like when our current currency is no longer usefull, suddenly people will use bitcoins?

How will anyone start to care about bitcoin if you can't really trade it for a currency normal people acutally use?

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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SEC filing text commentary

https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/0001...

> We hold and may acquire digital assets that may be subject to volatile market prices, impairment and unique risks of loss.

> In January 2021, we updated our investment policy to provide us with more flexibility to further diversify and maximize returns on our cash that is not required to maintain adequate operating liquidity. As part of the policy, which was duly approved by the Audit Committee of our Board of Directors, we may invest a portion of such cash in certain alternative reserve assets including digital assets, gold bullion, gold exchange-traded funds and other assets as specified in the future. Thereafter, we invested an aggregate $1.50 billion in bitcoin under this policy and may acquire and hold digital assets from time to time or long-term. Moreover, we expect to begin accepting bitcoin as a form of payment for our products in the near future, subject to applicable laws and initially on a limited basis, which we may or may not liquidate upon receipt.

> The prices of digital assets have been in the past and may continue to be highly volatile, including as a result of various associated risks and uncertainties. For example, the prevalence of such assets is a relatively recent trend, and their long-term adoption by investors, consumers and businesses is unpredictable. Moreover, their lack of a physical form, their reliance on technology for their creation, existence and transactional validation and their decentralization may subject their integrity to the threat of malicious attacks and technological obsolescence. Finally, the extent to which securities laws or other regulations apply or may apply in the future to such assets is unclear and may change in the future. If we hold digital assets and their values decrease relative to our purchase prices, our financial condition may be harmed.

> Moreover, digital assets are currently considered indefinite-lived intangible assets under applicable accounting rules, meaning that any decrease in their fair values below our carrying values for such assets at any time subsequent to their acquisition will require us to recognize impairment charges, whereas we may make no upward revisions for any market price increases until a sale, which may adversely affect our operating results in any period in which such impairment occurs. Moreover, there is no guarantee that future changes in GAAP will not require us to change the way we account for digital assets held by us.

> Finally, as intangible assets without centralized issuers or governing bodies, digital assets have been, and may in the future be, subject to security breaches, cyberattacks or other malicious activities, as well as human errors or computer malfunctions that may result in the loss or destruction of private keys needed to access such assets. While we intend to take all reasonable measures to secure any digital assets, if such threats are realized or the measures or controls we create or implement to secure our digital assets fail, it could result in a partial or total misappropriation or loss of our digital assets, and our financial condition and operating results may be harmed.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

#164
post #77

2020 has completely changed my perception of Tesla and Musk. I had this image of a benevolent genius who is sometimes misunderstood ("funding secured", "pedo guy", "Autopilot"). Came across Teslacharts' podcast [1] (now the Chartcast) and oh boy was I wrong. This is only the latest in a long series of red flags around Tesla/Musk and however it ends, it will not end well. [1] https://thechartcast.com/

If he succeeds with SpaceX, I don't care if he's a lunatic. We must have a frontier.

Also: The last round of space innovation was funded by two nuclear armed superpowers competing to show off while simultaneously threatening each other with a war of planetary annihilation. Before that the first rocket capable of reaching space was funded by Hitler. Going from blood soaked warlords to nutty manic billionaires is moral progress.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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Coinbase

Not very reliable. The most reliable broker is... Having a few accounts at different brokers that you could use - e.g. Coinbase, Kraken, Binance, etc.

I disagree, people like to dump on Coinbase but I think it is the undisputed leader when it comes to reliability and sound business practices. Kraken is so unreliable there were weeks at a time where I couldn’t login, ultimately closed my account. Binance has a legal liability problem from their genesis as a law flouting business.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

#167

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Cryptos are purely a speculation vessel, they don't fix many of the problems they claim to fix and add tons of problems over other currencies I'm fine with cryptos as long as they're not pitched as something they're not

Fiat currency is fundamentally more speculative IMO because the value is more based on government trust that something not man-made.

but as repeated every time this comes up, the government trust is enough, because I can pay my taxes with it, which you can't do with my trust.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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Being Elon Musk is securities fraud.

To be fair, as Matt "Money Stuff" Levine likes to say, everything is securities fraud. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...

I was, of course, thinking of that. Nevertheless, everything is securities fraud but not everyone is the encarnation of securities fraud.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

#170
Lol. Not that I think it will ever happen, but the purchase of a car is perhaps the one transaction that might actually work in bitcoin. It is huge one-time purchase that isn't really time dependent. Neither party would mind if it took a few days to process.
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