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What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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The NY Times can be just as bad as any other online rag. They're incentivized to publish hit pieces, stories to spark outrage, anything to get clicks. Seems for many at the NYT, journalistic integrity is just some antiquated notion.

Take this admission, straight from the horse's moouth [1]:

> I’ve made my way up as a reporter in the time of social media and most-read lists. I know what will make a piece pop to the top of that list as soon as I write it down in my notebook. No one has ever pressured me to get clicks, but I’ve been praised all my career with euphemisms like “really knowing my audience.” I can see on the site when my story is above someone else’s. I like it when it is. And I love the warm embrace of the social media scrum.

> One easy path toward the top of the list and toward that embrace is communal outrage. Toss something (someone) into that maw, and it’s like fireworks. I have mastered that game. For a couple years, that desire for attention — to feel the crack of my byline hitting the conversation — propelled me more than almost anything else. I began to see myself less as a mirror and more as a weapon. I learned how to weaponize charm, which everyone does, but I do exceptionally well. I would call some stories kills. Resisting virality when you know exactly how to get it is like resisting a cigarette (I love smoking but do not smoke). When I wanted another viral story, I would talk about needing a hit.

> Stirring outrage can be good. It can very well be the right thing to do. I won an award for working on an investigation series into predators using social video games to groom children. I’m glad that series made people mad.

> But it’s extremely hard to control this tool. I would other times thrust a massive spotlight onto a person who would suffer from it and for no good reason. As an intern at the Chronicle, I got a man fired because he talked to me for a story, and some part of me knew it would happen. The story was a completely silly one, about private women’s clubs in the city, and he was a sweet and gentle man. I still feel sick when I think about him. And I think about him a lot.

> In becoming increasingly driven by the pleasure of attention and conflict, I was sharpening my cruelest edges. The roar of Twitter on my side meant the kill was justified and good. I was using the tools that had been gifted to me — my love of people, my ability to write — but pursuing only attention, which is just the affection of the mob.

> I do not want to cultivate sociopathy in myself. And cultivating sociopathy was exactly what I was doing.

[1]: https://chosenbychoice.substack.com/p/learning-how-to-and-ho...

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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post #62

I wish the NYT would clarify or retract this piece/headline https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/russia-cyber-... > Widely Used Software Company May Be Entry Point for Huge U.S. Hacking > Russian hackers may have piggybacked on a tool developed by JetBrains, which is based in the Czech Republic, to gain access to federal government and private sector systems in the United States. My company has banned Jetbr…

If your company bases security decisions on articles in the NYT then they’re beyond helping. Frankly that’s both laughable and incompetent. No professional (in any field) should base a decision solely on something written in any secondary source. Even if it was a specialist publication, a competent professional should do their own research, and look at the primary sources. Imagine if a doctor or civil engineer based…

Is it really that obvious? If a company gets a bad rap for being insecure, is it rational to go for them? Sure, you should do your due diligence, when picking any solution, but it's certainly a factor which could discount someone from a shortlist.

You're not always the one to make a decision. When you are, there are a number of stakeholders who can influence your course of actions, and when solutions are similar enough, it is easier to take the path of least notoriety.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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post #62

I wish the NYT would clarify or retract this piece/headline https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/russia-cyber-... > Widely Used Software Company May Be Entry Point for Huge U.S. Hacking > Russian hackers may have piggybacked on a tool developed by JetBrains, which is based in the Czech Republic, to gain access to federal government and private sector systems in the United States. My company has banned Jetbr…

If your company bases security decisions on articles in the NYT then they’re beyond helping. Frankly that’s both laughable and incompetent. No professional (in any field) should base a decision solely on something written in any secondary source. Even if it was a specialist publication, a competent professional should do their own research, and look at the primary sources. Imagine if a doctor or civil engineer based…

I’m a 100% with you, but this is unfortunately not how people in many companies operate. The fact that organizations like Gartner and any one of the Big 4 exist proves that people are very much in the habit of transferring their decision-making risk onto another party.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Okay, so they have problems. Let's say that I am convinced, and I will be looking for a better source of journalism. What would that be?

I use RSS feeds for Reuters's business section for business and finance news and the AP for general news. I guess I don't know how either of them handle retractions or updates but I like my news to be as dispassionate as possible and I think Reuters and the AP are as close to that as you can get. I'm sure the journalists for both have their biases but at least they aren't as obvious as other outlets.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

#135

If I want truth, I read or watch primary source material. Everything else is commentary.

> If I want truth, I read or watch primary source material. Everything else is commentary.

For the record, that is completely impractical for reasons so obvious that it's surprising people suggest it with the frequency they do.

Take science reporting, for instance. You think science reporting makes too many mistakes, so you're going to just go to the source and read the raw papers instead (a suggestion I've seen dozens of times). Well, there are so many of those that even scientists don't read everything related to their specialty, and at best only read everything related to their sub-sub-sub specialty. How the hell are you, as a layman, supposed to wade through that stuff to stay informed about science? You can't, since there aren't enough hours in the day. It's a recipe for ignorance.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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“ Most educated people believe that premier news outlets are inherently trustworthy.” Let’s stop right there. I think the last 8 years have shown the media to have lost significant amounts of public trust. I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer.

I go to cnn.com when I want to see the latest draft of "1984 v2.0". It's really that bad.

Glenn Greenwald explained that when he asked his US journalist friends why they only parrot leftist narratives, they replied they had to or they'd lose their job and all their friends.

One of the NY Times editors "resigned" because he said burning downtowns should be countered with the National Guard - in other words stopping an actual insurrection in progress for months. Where do you go from there?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/07/new-york-times...

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Most educated people believe that premier news outlets are inherently trustworthy. And this is healthy, in a way. No it's not. The NYTimes engages in journalism, which is a particular way of gathering and presenting facts. Which to say, among other things, they rely on publicly available information, gathering facts on the ground and sources . Sources are people with information, often but not always powerful people.…

In my opinion, the biggest problems with sources is that journalists often fail to provide them.

They will often make sure assertions without named sources to back them up. And they will fail to provide citations and links when the source is present on the internet, so you can confirm and verify it.

This is sometimes the case for things like scientific research, where you're just expected to know which specific paper it is they're talking about, or where to look for further information.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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What exactly is the "Save Journalism Committee," and what's it's agenda? The link "What is the Save Journalism Commitee" at the bottom of their pages brings you to this nothingburger: https://savingjournalism.substack.com/about, https://archive.is/pY8rd.

The author's Quora profile describes him as a "Messaging Consultant" (https://www.quora.com/profile/Jeremy-Arnold-4, https://archive.is/ch3uz), which sounds like PR to me.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah it's a questionable claim for sure. This was a widely cited poll that asserted for the first time ever, the majority of Americans mistrust the mainstream media: https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisis-2bf0ec1c-00c0-4901-... You'll note that trust varies widely by political party, with 18% of Republicans trusting the media vs 57% of Democrats. So the post in the op seems to equate "educated" with "democrat" perh…

It surprised you that MSNBC, NYT, and NPR have primarily left-leaning audiences? Their coverage leans left like Fox News leans right, particularly MSNBC. If you asked the surveyed Republicans how much they trust Fox News specifically , I’m sure the stats would be a mirror image. Similarly, democrats trust a news industry which, outlet-for-outlet, is more aligned with what they want to hear. After all, it’s never “our…

> Their coverage leans left like Fox News leans right, particularly MSNBC.

I don't think it detracts from your points, but the coverage of all these outlets leans Democrat, but not left. They are centrist papers. Left voices (think Chomsky) are almost completely absent from mainstream media.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is misleading about saying Trump “small personal financial interest”? That seems pretty clear cut and truthful.

Imagine that Alice's net worth is an even billion dollars. Alice buys a tiny stake, $1000 or so, in ACME Industries. This is financially immaterial to Alice. It's 0.0001% of her net worth. But the purchase gives her access to all of the information which must be legally shared with investors, and is a common way investors keep tabs on publicly-traded companies. Now, imagine that Bob's net worth is $10,000. Alice's in…

I don’t know. The term “small” made it sound — small. You can argue the other points of the article, but this doesn’t seem like a real mischaracterization.
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