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Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by Spivak »

vinkelhake wrote: post #14

"Linux is fragmented", and then goes on to list Free, Open, Net, Dragonfly and avoids listing a few more. "Poettering creepware". Web developers who use Google Analytics are "stupid". This is emotion-driven drivel.

I really don’t get the weird cult of people seemingly obsessed with Lennart. The man sets out to solve really hard problems in the Linux desktop space, isn’t afraid of tackling complexity when it shows up in the problem domain, and is obsessed with correctness. That last one gets him in trouble from people who want him to be more pragmatic but I personally really appreciate it. I really admire him for being the poster child for knowing when to say no.

He pumps out really high quality software (seriously, read some of his source code it’s really easy to hack on), is genuinely innovative, and all people seem to do is shit on him and make him out like he’s some Linux daemon laughing manically every time a sysadmin gets frustrated.

Anyone who uses the phrase “potteringware” please listen to him talk at any conference he speaks at like All Systems Go. He really is down to earth and really thinks through problems before tackling them.

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by magila »

brian_cunnie wrote: post #25
vinkelhake wrote: post #14

"Linux is fragmented", and then goes on to list Free, Open, Net, Dragonfly and avoids listing a few more. "Poettering creepware". Web developers who use Google Analytics are "stupid". This is emotion-driven drivel.

I noticed that, too: the author doesn't mention the many-splendored versions of *BSD. My personal favorite is FreeBSD. I like Linux, but I have mixed feelings about systemd, especially when I discovered that systemd runs its own DNS server, which prevents the DNS server I wrote from binding to port 53 using INADDR_ANY. Instead, I had to write code to enumerate the interfaces & corresponding IP addresses & bind to eac…

You know you turn that DNS server off by adding "DNSStubListener=no" to /etc/systemd/resolved.conf right?

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by dataflow »

nine_k wrote: post #22

The fragmented nature is what I love about Linux. In other words it's called "choice". Because of the fragmentation, I don't have to use systemd, or pulseaudio, or snap, or Gnome desktop, or most other things I don't want to use for whatever reason. I can configure my box (or my container) mostly the way I see fit. If you want ultimate unification, choose macOS. These guys are certain that they know what you need, an…

> Because of the fragmentation, I don't have to use systemd, or pulseaudio, or snap, or Gnome desktop, or most other things I don't want to use for whatever reason.

I think part of the very reason some folks like you don't like to use some of those things is their shortcomings... which likely come about in part due to the plethora of choices leading to fragmented efforts on the development side. People shift their attention to the newer/shinier things all the time, and nothing ends up becoming rock-solid to the point where you wouldn't even think about wanting to replace it.

To put this into perspective, consider how bizarre it would be to hear end-users complain "What if I want to replace the Windows Audio/Task Scheduler/etc. service with something else?" in Windows land.

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by qwantim1 »

vinkelhake wrote: post #14

"Linux is fragmented", and then goes on to list Free, Open, Net, Dragonfly and avoids listing a few more. "Poettering creepware". Web developers who use Google Analytics are "stupid". This is emotion-driven drivel.

> Linux is fragmented

It’s actually quite an astute observation. I read recently that there are over 600 Linux distros and only about 500 are actively maintained.

> Web developers who use Google Analytics are stupid.

The adjective is wrong, but it’s also fair to say that there are free solutions for analytics, and some may go straight to using GA when they don’t need to.

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by [deleted] »

vitus wrote: post #32

> DNS over HTTPS is by itself bad enough, and highly criticized with good reason The criticisms of DoH seem to be around removing the ability of third parties to snoop on your DNS queries. Am I missing something here? Like, yes, some of the use cases outlined in the linked wiki article [0] are arguably legitimate (parental controls, cybersecurity identification of C&C nodes), but then we quickly move into murkier ter…

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Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by athms »

vinkelhake wrote: post #14

"Linux is fragmented", and then goes on to list Free, Open, Net, Dragonfly and avoids listing a few more. "Poettering creepware". Web developers who use Google Analytics are "stupid". This is emotion-driven drivel.

FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and DragonFlyBSD are not the same operating systems, they don't share the same kernel. There are custom distributions of FreeBSD for specific use cases, such as OPNsense, but they are the same operating system and kernel as FreeBSD.

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by badsectoracula »

dataflow wrote: post #43
nine_k wrote: post #22

The fragmented nature is what I love about Linux. In other words it's called "choice". Because of the fragmentation, I don't have to use systemd, or pulseaudio, or snap, or Gnome desktop, or most other things I don't want to use for whatever reason. I can configure my box (or my container) mostly the way I see fit. If you want ultimate unification, choose macOS. These guys are certain that they know what you need, an…

> Because of the fragmentation, I don't have to use systemd, or pulseaudio, or snap, or Gnome desktop, or most other things I don't want to use for whatever reason. I think part of the very reason some folks like you don't like to use some of those things is their shortcomings... which likely come about in part due to the plethora of choices leading to fragmented efforts on the development side. People shift their at…

End users might not complain about that but most end users do not care about that. For those that care there are replacements like Process Explorer/Hacker.

And people have tried a LOT to replace stuff in Windows, it is just that Microsoft doesn't make it as easy as on Linux.

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by tal8d »

chongli wrote: post #30
throwawayboise wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article addresses that. Companies are free to do whatever they want with BSD and as such they don't need to try to affect the way things are going. If that wasn't the case we would possible see, for example, Sony trying very hard to influence the development of FreeBSD because they use that in their PlayStation products.

And yet they do anyway. Netflix contributed network code to FreeBSD. In so doing, they took code they had developed and handed over the maintenance to the FreeBSD team. I think this is the biggest incentive companies have for making contributions to open source: they don't want to pay engineers to keep maintaining their own patches forever.

If that code were Netflix-centric then that would be a bad thing, but it isn't - so its not.

Re: Migrate Everything from Linux to BSD

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Post by hg35h4 »

vitus wrote: post #32

> DNS over HTTPS is by itself bad enough, and highly criticized with good reason The criticisms of DoH seem to be around removing the ability of third parties to snoop on your DNS queries. Am I missing something here? Like, yes, some of the use cases outlined in the linked wiki article [0] are arguably legitimate (parental controls, cybersecurity identification of C&C nodes), but then we quickly move into murkier ter…

It's horrible for environments with split horizon DNS. It presumes that the only network that should exist are home users consuming public Internet cloud services.

For privacy it's a discussion of do I trust my obnoxious non-US ISP or a US based .com with seeing all my browsing habits based on DNS queries. At least I could have legal recourse with my ISP in my own country, and there is slightly better privacy laws.

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