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Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by alasdair_ »

alex_young wrote: post #17
apsec112 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article further explains: "HCQ is a cheap generic drug that was widely being given away for free Pharma firms don’t benefit much from picking one generic over another Sanofi was never going to make meaningful money on Plaquenil The disclosures in question were already over a year out of date The disclosures actually show net sales of the Sanofi-related fund (More sourcing for all that here.) It wasn’t just Twitte…

What is misleading about saying Trump “small personal financial interest”? That seems pretty clear cut and truthful.

Mr Trump also holds a “small financial interest” in the McDonalds Corporation, having once purchased a hamburger.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by MattGaiser »

One of the problems with trust is that people see corrections and admitting ignorance as signs of unreliability and confidence and stubbornness as signs of reliability.

I can't count the number of times someone arguing with me has dug up a correction or retraction page on something unrelated as proof that a source is nonsense.

If they did issue a pile of corrections and changes, this post would instead be "the thousands of errors the NYT has made."

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by btmorex »

ajkjk wrote: post #27
NDizzle wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think a “small personal financial interest” is to a billionaire?! A few million? A few hundred thousand?! Not less than $2k. C’mon man.

It... doesn't matter? The criticism that the statement is wrong isn't right if the statement isn't wrong.

Because there's an obvious implication that Trump is pushing the drug because he has a financial interest in pushing the drug. But if his financial interest is so small that he stood to gain hundreds of dollars, maybe thousands at most, then implying he's doing it for financial reasons is extremely dishonest.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by NDizzle »

ajkjk wrote: post #27
NDizzle wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think a “small personal financial interest” is to a billionaire?! A few million? A few hundred thousand?! Not less than $2k. C’mon man.

It... doesn't matter? The criticism that the statement is wrong isn't right if the statement isn't wrong.

It’s disingenuous and you know it.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by markdown »

underseacables wrote: post #19

“ Most educated people believe that premier news outlets are inherently trustworthy.” Let’s stop right there. I think the last 8 years have shown the media to have lost significant amounts of public trust. I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer.

> I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer.

Yup. These days I only get my news from The Daily Wire and Joe Rogan. I'm educated, and I just can't trust the lamestream media.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by notimetorelax »

whoisstan wrote: post #22
denimnerd42 wrote: post #4

I wish the NYT would clarify or retract this piece/headline https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/russia-cyber-... > Widely Used Software Company May Be Entry Point for Huge U.S. Hacking > Russian hackers may have piggybacked on a tool developed by JetBrains, which is based in the Czech Republic, to gain access to federal government and private sector systems in the United States. My company has banned Jetbr…

Interestingly I just had an unrelated discussion on goodreads about that. The first mentioned author of the NYT article is supposedly a cybersecurity expert. The article lacked any evidence and called the company russian and obscure, they edited that but it’s still on archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20210106195835/https://www.nytim... I left a goodreads comment on the NYT authors latest cybersecurity book cal…

This makes me wonder, 3 branches of government exist to balance each other out. Journalism stands on its own, what’s the counter balance to journalism?

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by nradov »

notimetorelax wrote: post #36
whoisstan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly I just had an unrelated discussion on goodreads about that. The first mentioned author of the NYT article is supposedly a cybersecurity expert. The article lacked any evidence and called the company russian and obscure, they edited that but it’s still on archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20210106195835/https://www.nytim... I left a goodreads comment on the NYT authors latest cybersecurity book cal…

This makes me wonder, 3 branches of government exist to balance each other out. Journalism stands on its own, what’s the counter balance to journalism?

Social media

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by saagarjha »

markdown wrote: post #35
underseacables wrote: post #19

“ Most educated people believe that premier news outlets are inherently trustworthy.” Let’s stop right there. I think the last 8 years have shown the media to have lost significant amounts of public trust. I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer.

> I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer. Yup. These days I only get my news from The Daily Wire and Joe Rogan. I'm educated, and I just can't trust the lamestream media.

Poe’s law is pretty strong here.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by wyldfire »

notimetorelax wrote: post #36
whoisstan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly I just had an unrelated discussion on goodreads about that. The first mentioned author of the NYT article is supposedly a cybersecurity expert. The article lacked any evidence and called the company russian and obscure, they edited that but it’s still on archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20210106195835/https://www.nytim... I left a goodreads comment on the NYT authors latest cybersecurity book cal…

This makes me wonder, 3 branches of government exist to balance each other out. Journalism stands on its own, what’s the counter balance to journalism?

Other journalists.

Re: What happens when the NYT and New Yorker make mistakes

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Post by blitz_skull »

I stopped reading after the extremely misguided first line. I work with, live with, and generally am surrounded by “educated” people. I don’t know any of them who would agree that the premier news outlets are mostly trustworthy.

Educated people understand what pays the bills for the major news outlets and it sure as hell ain’t trust.

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